When the Men's Group started. I thought that group was a bad idea at the time for the same reason a White Power Group and a Multiillionaire Group would have been, seriously entitled people have been circling the wagons lately and nothing enables them to escalate like a group of like minded people at the top of the entitlement chain.

Time has only succeeded in confirming my worst fears about that group, it's acting just like MRA groups across the web are and the action is not good.

My own ignore list, once restricted to word jumpers and other threadshitters has expanded to include many members of that group.

DU has been a safe haven for all lefties, especially in the early 00s when the country solidified around Stupid after 9/11. That is no longer the case now that it has a "no gurls alowd" sign that has been tacked up by the worst behaved members of one group. It is no longer a safe place for women to post.

Yes, there has been friction between believers and atheists, conspiracy theorists and boring fact based people (ahem) and vegans and omnivores. Most of that has been on the level of banter and easy to dismiss, no one is going to change belief or behavior based on a web site.

However, the systematic trashing, belittling, denial, baiting, patronizing, and viciousness toward half the human race is different.

Thank you for your post, Bjorn Against, it lets us see that not all men are represented by that group. You're one of the people here who convince me it's not hopeless.