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pnwmom

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142. The real issue is whether a T & A photo belongs on a progressive political site
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 03:05 PM
Feb 2014

where women and men are supposed to be able to interact as equals -- even if they can't always in the larger society.

Not whether the people who view those photos in an appropriate venue are misogynists.

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There is a fair amount of misandry too.. pipoman Feb 2014 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author MadrasT Feb 2014 #4
If misandry was a serious problem I think that as a man I would have felt it Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #5
+1. nt Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #6
Quite a few women don't share the pipoman Feb 2014 #7
I don't think people who look at the swimsuit issue are necessarilly misogynistic... Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #10
And quite a few do. And have been very vocal about the fact that they do. And when I say Squinch Feb 2014 #12
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Feb 2014 #189
Please read about Edward Bernays, chervilant Feb 2014 #15
Interesting. I have "The Century of the Self" but haven't watched it yet. arcane1 Feb 2014 #151
Please, chervilant Feb 2014 #180
And there are "quite a few" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #35
There are? merrily Feb 2014 #209
Clarence Thomas ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #211
I get your point about Thomas and, if I am honest, merrily Feb 2014 #246
Maybe, I exaggerated in ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #247
I think this line from your link hits the nail on the head: merrily Feb 2014 #248
..and Allen West does not believe African Americans have been discriminated against... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #39
I counted five BainsBane Feb 2014 #110
But, but, it was posted by a WOMAN! So the menz are not even involved!!1 PassingFair Feb 2014 #141
The real issue is whether a T & A photo belongs on a progressive political site pnwmom Feb 2014 #142
They've had at least three thread of HOT Celebs threads boston bean Feb 2014 #144
LOL. Yeah, it would be terrible if they got derailed into actually thinking. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #145
OMG.....I didn't even know those existed...Holy shit....it's even worse than I thought.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #202
spoken like someone who has never really felt either.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #154
+1 eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #26
thank you, bjorn against. I don't like anger directed at men either. What really roguevalley Feb 2014 #124
they think just saying "White Male Privilege" is "misandry" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #153
LOL Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #13
and right on cue. . . . niyad Feb 2014 #21
No, that's just your privilege slipping away. paleotn Feb 2014 #24
'Bad for others = good for me' is flawed logic pipoman Feb 2014 #32
This line of argument is creeping into MRA ideology. boston bean Feb 2014 #85
OK Boston I could not agree with your more. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #99
Instead of taking it personally that a feminist means boston bean Feb 2014 #108
that's exactly what I was thinking passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #175
but, if you direct your comment to an individual then that person alerts and Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #236
If it is meant as a personal insult passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #244
if the truth is insulting then perhaps that poster needs step back and review their own post Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #245
This same argument came up in a thread about white privilege. I am white. Strangely enough, Squinch Feb 2014 #226
Actually, it does ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #137
Pretending that I enjoy some privilege is closer pipoman Feb 2014 #148
It's about the whole of society. It's not about you personally. cui bono Feb 2014 #166
What's bad? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #104
what is the definition of Privilege? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #155
Who is this oh so privileged group? pipoman Feb 2014 #158
But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #33
'I'm in the right' 'everyone with a different view is something best described pipoman Feb 2014 #38
It's not about a mere "different view" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #46
Great response. +1 CrispyQ Feb 2014 #64
+++ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #68
. Squinch Feb 2014 #70
Thank you so much for saying that. boston bean Feb 2014 #78
.... ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #109
anything that will lower the staggering level of rape and abuse in this country roguevalley Feb 2014 #125
1StrongBlackMan, I think I have a new sig line. Thank you. roguevalley Feb 2014 #126
And when people pretend pipoman Feb 2014 #157
Pretend? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #191
And when people in the privileged gender or race pretend they are not privileged, they Squinch Feb 2014 #222
:) BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #162
Excellent explanation. N/t tooeyeten Feb 2014 #163
Would that I could recommend a post wryter2000 Feb 2014 #165
Oh so very, very, very well said. redqueen Feb 2014 #173
Excellent response! thucythucy Feb 2014 #192
Only to people who don't know what it is. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #41
Derailment tactic. boston bean Feb 2014 #83
And it, sadly, worked very well Lordquinton Feb 2014 #199
So in other words... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #103
I have a few reactions to your statement WhiteTara Feb 2014 #111
Nice repost, White Tara. I have Libra disease too in that I can see both sides as well roguevalley Feb 2014 #127
Thanks. Mostly I'm quoting the Dalai Lama WhiteTara Feb 2014 #128
that's alright, darling. Know thy self. Every thing you do is a revelation of your roguevalley Feb 2014 #130
... WhiteTara Feb 2014 #136
The Dalai Lama said "widdle feewings"?? Beartracks Feb 2014 #168
no...that was me WhiteTara Feb 2014 #177
I cannot tell you how many times... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #152
How about some examples? amuse bouche Feb 2014 #186
... pipoman Feb 2014 #210
Sorry, you don't have a leg to stand on, for that one amuse bouche Feb 2014 #214
Stop. Just stop. You're not helping anything. Recursion Feb 2014 #204
The OP covered that. merrily Feb 2014 #207
I can only imagine that you will provide us with a valid ratio... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #225
You are too funny!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #227
I admit that it took me a long time to recognize what you are saying too and I am a woman and a seaglass Feb 2014 #2
I had the same epiphany a couple of years ago when the same shit went down. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #3
I stop short at disbanding TMG. Other than that Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #8
+1 TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #131
My question is plantwomyn Feb 2014 #170
That was a poor word choice on my part. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #182
There are many male regular participants in this group (History of Feminism--the largest of the 4) hlthe2b Feb 2014 #184
No, they absolutely do not exclude men. Please see my response to the other poster #184 hlthe2b Feb 2014 #185
Bjorn, I am a woman and I had pretty much the same trajectory as you when I got here. Squinch Feb 2014 #9
it is unfortunate that in our lives we only get to experience truly and fully roguevalley Feb 2014 #129
Thank you, Bjorn, for your support and for taking a stand, Tanuki Feb 2014 #11
One thing that this controversy has made clear is that Squinch Feb 2014 #14
Taking the time to look at the recs we recieve boston bean Feb 2014 #86
Same here... PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #31
Thank you for this OP. chervilant Feb 2014 #16
+1000 ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #123
Correct on all points. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #147
That is something that's fortunately true. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #216
im not awake enough to type coherently, but thanks BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #17
just like racism, homophobia, misogyny heaven05 Feb 2014 #18
+1 Squinch Feb 2014 #22
+1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #29
Thanks much, Bjorn. "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left", whathehell Feb 2014 #19
Ditto (many thanks to Bjorn), and the Pollitt quote really does seem true frazzled Feb 2014 #62
++++++! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #164
thank you very much for your support. I would expect that you will receive a lot of flak for this niyad Feb 2014 #20
Hearing from those whose eyes have been opened by recent DU activity... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #23
Thanks, I will let Skinner know my views. Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #51
I agree, Bjorn. closeupready Feb 2014 #25
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2014 #27
Thank you PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #28
To be frank, I have always found DU to be misogynist to a point but not Cleita Feb 2014 #30
You missed the Point, the objection, the whole 9 yards! packman Feb 2014 #40
FYI the swim suit edition of SI has always been posted on DU in the past. I've been here since 2003 Cleita Feb 2014 #45
"Faux outrage"? MadrasT Feb 2014 #55
Evolution is a good thing! CrispyQ Feb 2014 #76
Don't bother, trying to explain how these pictures, no matter how "artistic", harm real young women KitSileya Feb 2014 #61
Yes, comments from my senator about running for office: seaglass Feb 2014 #63
The explanation that is being floated in another thread is that someone called someone a Squinch Feb 2014 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #82
Then you should have alerted... Coming in here to smear posters in this group with hlthe2b Feb 2014 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #88
Then you are merely coming here to make insinuations & stir trouble. Kindly stop it. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Feb 2014 #93
You are in a group with specific SOP for participation, which includes civil discussion. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #94
Whoops--thought this thead was posted in GD. My error. Orrex Feb 2014 #96
I understand... Thank you for your cooperation. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #97
Hlthe2b, I didn't see Squinch Feb 2014 #150
no problem... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #156
was that about what I think it was about? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #237
This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Feb 2014 #240
so sick of this shit, Squinch. is this about what I think it is about? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #238
Yes. You saw it already. I just can't believe that was given as the reason Squinch Feb 2014 #241
thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #243
No one is saying you are not adult enough to look at the pictures Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #43
Why can't people use the trash thread and ignore button? Cleita Feb 2014 #52
Why do you think the photos are appropriate for GD? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #54
Perhaps you'd like to take your own advice for this thread? n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #57
Why would the outrage be phony? What would be the desired result of that? cui bono Feb 2014 #198
Many women of my generation... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #44
I am respectful when I post, but when I don't get respect I will give back in kind. Cleita Feb 2014 #48
Consider this a warning. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #49
Consider this a warning. Don't make threats. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #53
Please stop JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #56
Why did you come into this protected group to spew your shit? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #67
^^The poster has been blocked from this group^^ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #71
Thank you. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #72
Bullies playing the victim. It's always the same schtick. Sad that it seems to be working for them. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #77
Yes, I really appreciated being told that harassment was my fault, KitSileya Feb 2014 #79
Sorry you had JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #92
Thank you. spooky3 Feb 2014 #100
And under what circumstance does that allow you to accuse a rape victim of lying boston bean Feb 2014 #89
Look at your first sentence. You are applying the wrong standard. spooky3 Feb 2014 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2014 #98
Obviously, these results say far more about spooky3 Feb 2014 #101
Actually hosts enforce SOPs BainsBane Feb 2014 #114
Thanks. It would be helpful if this spooky3 Feb 2014 #116
what I do in such cases BainsBane Feb 2014 #117
Thanks. I'm just saying it should be easier to find spooky3 Feb 2014 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2014 #119
If you were not willing to read the alert spooky3 Feb 2014 #120
^^The poster has been blocked from this group^^ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #121
Thank you. spooky3 Feb 2014 #122
Thank you Bjorn. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #34
The 'mens' Group is mis-named... It is truly the MRA Group... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #36
In fairness, there's hot celebrity fantasies too. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #42
LOL! ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #112
Which generate more responses thucythucy Feb 2014 #194
Interesting how it is men who are the ones pointing that out, and who, understandably, Squinch Feb 2014 #66
It sure is not 'The Men's Group' and it is very much misnamed. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #75
My sense is 98% of the men on this site feel the same BainsBane Feb 2014 #115
I agree wholeheartedly! justhanginon Feb 2014 #146
+100. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #221
This message was self-deleted by its author My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #37
So let's post porn and snuff movies, then, right? Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #47
No, I know, let's post blackface minstrel shows, and "sh#m%le" porn. KitSileya Feb 2014 #59
It's really mind-boggling. They don't even realize that they're arguing for anarchy. nt Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #134
Just how GOP Governor Corbett talks about mandatory vaginal ultrasounds Divernan Feb 2014 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #135
Thank you JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #50
It's good of you to come out and say that. Whisp Feb 2014 #58
it is important that the men of DU stand up and speak out. nt. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #69
It has become quite blatant etherealtruth Feb 2014 #74
Thank you. TDale313 Feb 2014 #80
Very nice. boston bean Feb 2014 #81
This is the positivity of all the negativity, CrispyQ Feb 2014 #87
I am a female bodied person and I used to think the same thing. MadrasT Feb 2014 #91
I could just hug you right now. Thank you for this post. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #239
From a quiet member MostlyAmused Feb 2014 #102
Thank you for speaking up. spooky3 Feb 2014 #106
Thank you for your comments. I hope you feel comfortable in this group. n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #107
Thank you ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #105
Thanks Bjorn Against WhiteTara Feb 2014 #113
Humongous KR ... nt MindMover Feb 2014 #132
You are my kind of man. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2014 #133
Harassment of women here became a big issue Warpy Feb 2014 #138
well said! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #167
That's too bad. KitSileya Feb 2014 #171
Yes, exactly. MadrasT Feb 2014 #176
+1 historylovr Feb 2014 #232
+999999999999999999999.9999999999999999999999999 AAO Feb 2014 #139
Bjorn Against BainsBane Feb 2014 #140
I just made a new post in the ATA forum Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #172
I agree that the support has been encouraging BainsBane Feb 2014 #178
You made it to the greatest page... Agschmid Feb 2014 #188
One intelligent, thoughtful post like this makes up for dozens by the knee-jerk nasties. Thank you! pnwmom Feb 2014 #143
the 97 recs help too BainsBane Feb 2014 #149
Absolutely! TDale313 Feb 2014 #159
It looks like it BainsBane Feb 2014 #161
I can't thank you enough wryter2000 Feb 2014 #160
OPs like this confirm my instinct sufrommich Feb 2014 #169
Comparing HOF to the MG A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #174
a quote that needs to be kept and put on repeat DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #179
What would DU be without the drama Gman Feb 2014 #181
Misogyny, like racism...... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #183
Well said! blackspade Feb 2014 #187
I'm so encouraged by your support and that of so many UtahLib Feb 2014 #190
Don't fall for it. It's always the tiny handful of right wingers posing as DUers posting this trash Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #193
Cheers. kickysnana Feb 2014 #195
Very well state. Thanks. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #200
Noob says he went and scanned the mens group. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #196
It's flourishing in GD as we speak BainsBane Feb 2014 #197
That's why it doesn't matter if the group goes away. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #219
Thanks for a thoughtful OP. I blow these off as hopeless, usually. And appreciate this. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #201
Is it misogyny or perhaps Sherman A1 Feb 2014 #203
It is misogyny in a lot of cases. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #212
K&R emsimon33 Feb 2014 #205
Thank you so much. myrna minx Feb 2014 #206
A lot of the misogyny seems to come from those who lean right in general. merrily Feb 2014 #208
Some also seem to be the same people who get sufrommich Feb 2014 #213
you noticed it, too. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #215
K&R. I agree completely. The recent nonsense has been pretty eye-opening. DanTex Feb 2014 #217
I saw your post in ATA. The future looks grim. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #218
Thank you for this OP and your question in ATA. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #220
K&R! hrmjustin Feb 2014 #223
SKINNER: "So we're genuinely conflicted. Do we lay down the law, A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #224
Thanks, I was at work so I was unable to provide a response to Skinner right away Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #229
Your response was thoughtful and well presented. MadrasT Feb 2014 #230
Amen. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #231
I think your insight about where juries fail was spot on. A very thoughtful post. Thanks. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #233
Yes thank you from me as well. RBStevens Feb 2014 #234
That was an outstanding response. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #235
Thank you for that reply and also thanks for the OP in GD. Thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #242
Thank you, sir! bravenak Feb 2014 #228
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