Bernie Sanders

corbettkroehler

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3. True Progressives Are Proud, Not Truculent

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:44 AM

Mar 2016

When I learned that Mrs. Clinton created a section at State designed to promote fracking around the world, the environmentalist in me (I live carbon-neutral, by the way) was very, deeply disappointed.

I am confident that Sanders will win the nomination. However, if I should be proved wrong, I will vote for her in the general. That does not mean, however, that I fear a vigorous, spirited (but humane) debate about progressivism.

I have a Republican friend with whom I disagree on almost all political issues (and he with me). We remain friends because we can be respectful when we discuss politics. Besides, I don't think that Democrats are infallible. We are all human. There are times when the Democrats do something stupid and the Republican position is correct. It doesn't happen often but it happens.

This is why I torture myself by watching Fox News from time to time. Every once in a while, a truly valid news story is covered which would not be offered by the major networks, CNN or MSNBC.

I don't hate Hillary supporters, either. However, I would like to think that they would be open to constructive criticism. Clearly, Cha isn't.

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Wow. I would have voted for Hillary and encouraged friends to, until this... [View all] gmoles Mar 2016 OP

not surprising Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #1

Surprisingly, they don't even bother to talk about what they are doing to get-- eridani Mar 2016 #2

Total sycophancy is suspect over at camp Weathervane, Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #10

If you read nothing else, read this ... by the Hillary group! erlewyne Mar 2016 #33

Hah! I had the same reaction on seeing that one! Bubzer Mar 2016 #42

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #69

Best thing I ever did Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #78

Me, too. And will be adding a few more. Duval Mar 2016 #179

Unlike *this* group? brer cat Mar 2016 #123

throw enough mud AlbertCat Mar 2016 #170

The factsa about hillary Old Codger Mar 2016 #188

The real irony is that the particular poster mentioned above... bvar22 Mar 2016 #158

I was banned a long time ago... Rockyj Mar 2016 #197

look, I was number 1!!! Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #202

True Progressives Are Proud, Not Truculent corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #3

welcome to DU, sincerely. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #132

"Truculent Underground" could really be this site's new name. "Welcome to TU!" villager Mar 2016 #153

"constructive criticism" redruddyred Mar 2016 #191

just her moneymoore Mar 2016 #4

best bud to narco camarallias who need that pesky democracy gone? you bet your bippy! MisterP Mar 2016 #98

This Citizen Has 250 HRC Groupers On Ignore cantbeserious Mar 2016 #5

Lol I don't have THAT many Faux pas Mar 2016 #127

I never use the ignore button Plucketeer Mar 2016 #152

There is only one person I have on ignore arikara Mar 2016 #195

By the numbers eridani Mar 2016 #235

I quit counting Old Codger Mar 2016 #199

there is only one person I always agree with... griloco Mar 2016 #6

And I don't always agree with myself :-) deutsey Mar 2016 #63

Welcome to the club spinbaby Mar 2016 #7

I really didn't know gmoles Mar 2016 #9

the "groups" are protected areas magical thyme Mar 2016 #52

yeah I was banned the first or second time I posted anything there-- so pathetic Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #13

I haven't cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #75

I haven't Spirochete Mar 2016 #112

I got slapped down by them over 8 years ago for a post when I didn't know what a protected group was corkhead Mar 2016 #118

Do I understand you correctly? You are going to let a bad Arkansas Granny Mar 2016 #8

I believe in voting for a candidate I want to win. Not the better of two I don't gmoles Mar 2016 #12

I completely understand your frustration! denvine Mar 2016 #24

We don't have time for a "long game" unfortunately. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #43

agreed gmoles Mar 2016 #46

I think that's one of the major reasons for the sea change this year Hydra Mar 2016 #214

I got banned there too. ananda Mar 2016 #93

Same here swilton Mar 2016 #119

We don't. artislife Mar 2016 #111

So let me understand this CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #144

Who says I am giving up on the WH? Quite the opposite, Hillary will lose and/or be Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #167

I'm not questioning that. denvine Mar 2016 #229

Best we can do Old Codger Mar 2016 #207

Do we need to ban you ejbr Mar 2016 #16

Hillary Supporters Follow Their Leader kracer20 Mar 2016 #27

Except I'm not particularly courageous, female, or black gmoles Mar 2016 #51

Not sure how you got that out of my post kracer20 Mar 2016 #99

I say the same below in my post. There's NO SENSE in this type of posting. blm Mar 2016 #47

Seriously. intheflow Mar 2016 #53

doesn't seem to make sense from a person so patient that they were MariaThinks Mar 2016 #146

Its not just one person over there Wibly Mar 2016 #203

I wouldn't repeat that Lazy Daisy Mar 2016 #213

If I post in the Hillary group, it's only to respond to a post I see on Arkansas Granny Mar 2016 #228

Kick warrprayer Mar 2016 #11

ageism greymouse Mar 2016 #14

agreed gmoles Mar 2016 #17

I totally understand greymouse Mar 2016 #18

I'm in my 60s Boomer Mar 2016 #31

So true. I had crumbs to start with. The next younger generation has financial vultures hovering GoneFishin Mar 2016 #40

Ageism and experience in democracy are separate. Your experienced by years, knows democracy. DhhD Mar 2016 #67

Same thing happened to me... BrainDrain Mar 2016 #15

Happened to me too. Madam Mossfern Mar 2016 #193

I agree. The posts should not be in greatest or latest page Mojorabbit Mar 2016 #226

I was banned instantly LiberalElite Mar 2016 #19

guess who? Mbrow Mar 2016 #20

I was one of the leave it alones on there -nt Khellendross Mar 2016 #21

Read the post ... quite an over-reaction to alert it SomeGuyInEagan Mar 2016 #135

wow 4 to 3 just wow... n/t demosocialist Mar 2016 #157

I was also banned a few weeks ago. bec Mar 2016 #22

They'll never admit that - it's always 840high Mar 2016 #220

I think income more than age tells the story Ligyron Mar 2016 #23

Yes, true gmoles Mar 2016 #34

"You wanted to go to college, you were clearly asking for debt." VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #124

yes, exit polls show that her support is those who make over $100,000. grasswire Mar 2016 #134

The Hillary Clinton Group sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #25

That is reasonable and fits with what the group is about - supporting Hillary. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #38

The comments to the Hillary Group sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #115

Trending or greatest page links from the Home page IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #120

I replied to the original poster sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #145

Same thing happened to me, gmoles. mac56 Mar 2016 #26

I was probably a bit more confrontation than you. But that's because I AM angry :) gmoles Mar 2016 #37

William769 banned me from the Hillary Group after one mild post Cassidy Mar 2016 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #28

K&R Paka Mar 2016 #29

Paka, you have a clear view of what has happened in America and it is reflected on DU. DhhD Mar 2016 #85

I was banned on my first very innocuous post. Paka Mar 2016 #91

Many of the older people befitted from wealth created by a transfer to the Federal Deficit. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #30

I received the same treatment with my first post on that thread monicaangela Mar 2016 #32

Yeah, that's what hey do. I managed to stay posting there for months and then AllyCat Mar 2016 #35

That's where Hillary supporters circle their wagons cprise Mar 2016 #36

i got banned for questioning where the local campaign was in my state dembotoz Mar 2016 #39

I support Sanders, but, why let supporters of any candidate control what you think or how you vote? blm Mar 2016 #41

Same. snort Mar 2016 #44

Check out my sig. It's a 2008 quote from cha. Doctor_J Mar 2016 #45

Can't argue with that! snort Mar 2016 #62

omg. can I pleeeeease copy your sig for mine? haha gmoles Mar 2016 #72

There is one from hillbot Steven leser that's even more hilarious Doctor_J Mar 2016 #74

Do tell! fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #151

Enjoy Doctor_J Mar 2016 #217

Wow!Cha called Hillary a liar and panderer! Big friggin' LOL! Divernan Mar 2016 #84

Yeah, Cha was one of the more vicious anti-Clinton people in 2008. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #106

And now of course she considers Mrs Clinton the most qualified candidate in history Doctor_J Mar 2016 #218

Here's Maury with the results: OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #227

When I was typing it I thought I should try to make it less obnoxious Doctor_J Mar 2016 #233

Priceless! nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #150

After reading your OP and the replies here... mwooldri Mar 2016 #48

So here is my thing gmoles Mar 2016 #76

You can "trash" a group. That prevents you from seeing posts in that group jeff47 Mar 2016 #102

Thanks! Offending group now "trashed". Though it does sound harsh .... mwooldri Mar 2016 #113

Thanks jeff47. nt Duval Mar 2016 #183

i hear ya ellennelle Mar 2016 #49

Let me see if I understand this ... salinsky Mar 2016 #50

Ironically mac56 Mar 2016 #58

Exactly. snort Mar 2016 #80

+1 n.t ejbr Mar 2016 #184

I've been very taken back by the HRC Group's Republican type actions here andrewv1 Mar 2016 #70

Are you sure you're not thinking of the HRC group? StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #81

Questions for you gmoles Mar 2016 #88

Some corrections for you Justice Mar 2016 #131

Sandoval? A Republican Gov? Not Conservative? nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #176

How nice of you to join DU so you could pop in here and deliver a condescending and authoritarian djean111 Mar 2016 #89

Actually, either Bernie or Hillary would be fine with me ... salinsky Mar 2016 #104

Many of the HRC camp are a tangle of frustrated inconsistencies Android3.14 Mar 2016 #54

...."becase she can get THINGS done" bvar22 Mar 2016 #161

You are right elljay Mar 2016 #190

I was banned from there too CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #55

That group governs the way Clinton does. Either you are a conservative who hates the middle class whereisjustice Mar 2016 #56

I was blocked from the Hillary group for a post that actually DEFENDED Hillary!! 7962 Mar 2016 #57

Thanks for sharing your experience in the Hill camp randr Mar 2016 #59

Yes, the Hillary group--even as the support group it is--is over-sensitive. However... thesquanderer Mar 2016 #60

I think that WP article and the post itself deutsey Mar 2016 #61

I was blocked from that group without even knowing I'd been in there. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #64

Banned by Cha too noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #178

I too was banned from a Hillary group Orange Butterfly Mar 2016 #65

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #66

An overly sensitive group probably because they are outnumbered here. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #68

This isn't a new phenomenon. jeff47 Mar 2016 #103

Here's the disconnect between HRC supporters and reality Divernan Mar 2016 #71

I've said this several times before: DU is the prissiest sissiest political blog anywhere. DrBulldog Mar 2016 #73

you're seeing why their ideas have no stength Locrian Mar 2016 #77

PAR. FOR. THE. COURSE. Raster Mar 2016 #79

After plea deals are being reached in FBI Investigations, I think you will see changes... andrewv1 Mar 2016 #82

You dared invade the bubble? EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #83

Clinton is shilling for corporation and Madmiddle Mar 2016 #86

Oh yes. Cha..... bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #90

I think Cha has a block happy figure. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #173

Two hides and banned in two days Geronimoe Mar 2016 #92

I agree with blm. Why would you do that? serbbral Mar 2016 #94

Ooooh. Bern! >>Sounds like a nice life that many people my age fear we will never know if things... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #95

I now feel honored Arizona Roadrunner Mar 2016 #96

Read the whole thread -- it's like a personality cult. earthside Mar 2016 #97

It is indeed. Like some sort of mass brainwashing occurred. Lorien Mar 2016 #129

Welcome! You have joined what seems to be a club, the partially disenfranchised DU member. Mira Mar 2016 #100

I asked a question and got banned. No difference jillan Mar 2016 #101

It happens to a lot of people. tymorial Mar 2016 #105

I'm 66, retired, and doing pretty well financially... joeybear Mar 2016 #107

I got officially banned from the Hillary group just this am Ligyron Mar 2016 #108

I am a fellow former lurker, and I agree with your sentiment, gmoles. Svafa Mar 2016 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2016 #110

I understand your anger FreedomRain Mar 2016 #114

Wow! I just got blocked by Cha, also. Just asked why it is Bernies job to promote Obama's FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #116

I saw your post a couple minutes ago and thought, Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #125

I did not think it was an attack on Hillary, or Obama for that matter. FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #186

I was also blocked by Cha,who is on quite a power trip. virgogal Mar 2016 #117

Bans in the BOG are a hobby too. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #121

You have become a member of a large and ever-expanding club. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #122

I got a post hidden just now because I was kidding around with a fellow Bernie supporter and Gwhittey Mar 2016 #126

I say the same to both sides: Do not choose a POTUS based on his or her merrily Mar 2016 #128

Cha rules the H.C. group with an iron fist, and your ban speaks to your bravery gmoles. forest444 Mar 2016 #130

Congratulations! SoapBox Mar 2016 #133

Yeah, I'm banned too... freebrew Mar 2016 #136

Just the Hillary group? That's ok though, right? mahina Mar 2016 #137

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #138

Also, congrats on your bannishment, welcome to the club of actual decent people. litlbilly Mar 2016 #139

Power trip? Hillary Bros? jalan48 Mar 2016 #140

Yes, I was blocked there zentrum Mar 2016 #141

I don't know how to address this issue... freebrew Mar 2016 #142

I was told to "get behind her or move out of the way"By a noob. Phlem Mar 2016 #143

Hawaii Is Paradise...This Is Pair-O-Dice billhicks76 Mar 2016 #147

Yep, same thing happened to me. Some overly sensitive poster didn't like what I said. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #148

FeelTheScorn. nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #149

Welcome to the discussion... dchill Mar 2016 #154

Welcome to the Bernie Group, gmoles, where inclusion and diversity are welcome... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #155

My 1st post there got me blocked too left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 #156

I think of the Hillary and Bernie groups as clubs of like-minded folks lexington filly Mar 2016 #159

I am very sorry for the responses to your story on the link demosocialist Mar 2016 #160

I was blocked, too... had no idea it existed. AzDar Mar 2016 #162

Yeah, I just got back from a short vacation to Kaua'i dana_b Mar 2016 #163

Oh please dcmfox Mar 2016 #164

If you are not blowing bubbles Curmudgeoness Mar 2016 #165

so if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination will you not vote in the general election? Sunlei Mar 2016 #166

I'm sorry for the responses you got in that thread Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #168

Let's take a look back, a Cha Retrospective, Cha's 2008 Greatest Hits... Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #169

Wow. progressoid Mar 2016 #219

I wonder how many Hillary supporters did the same thing and the answer is many, many. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #230

Interesting to say the least, my major complaint around here is some posters do more to shut down mrdmk Mar 2016 #234

Your search skills are legend. Puglover Mar 2016 #231

I understand and agree. PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #171

DU is the best ymetca Mar 2016 #172

Welcome to the Club SusanLarson Mar 2016 #174

you wont vote for hillary because someone was mean to you on the internet? La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #175

I got the same message from Cha. Duval Mar 2016 #177

I suspect most of us MuseRider Mar 2016 #180

Cha is very quick w the ban hopeforchange2008 Mar 2016 #181

Well, you just got banned into a very big club. Cleita Mar 2016 #182

Well, I'm not banned... ejbr Mar 2016 #185

LOL Old Codger Mar 2016 #187

Welcome to the Banned from Hillary Group Club. We're a pretty big club now! And proud of it. nt valerief Mar 2016 #189

I too was banned and proud to be a member of the Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #196

Banned too Depaysement Mar 2016 #192

So, you are not going to vote... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #194

People I've spoken to aren't going to vote for H. Clinton because they (1.) were betrayed when rhett o rick Mar 2016 #204

Welcome to the club Wibly Mar 2016 #198

"Is this now the undemocratic underground?" Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #200

The majority here still support Democratic democracy, but we often get out-shouted by the rhett o rick Mar 2016 #205

It's class war and it's time for people to wake the fuck up about it. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #206

It's a class war and those that support Clinton either are in denial or actually worship rhett o rick Mar 2016 #221

^ this ^ Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #222

Cha did the same thing to me. Dissent is disloyalty over there. Party over principles Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #201

You should have gone out like I did! cui bono Mar 2016 #208

How can her supporters talk about inclusion if they're banning anyone with a legitimate concern? d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #209

It's best to consider the source and ignore it. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #210

If the person who banned me had bothered to respond to my message mac56 Mar 2016 #211

Banned as well TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #212

So, why is this NOT on the Greatest page?? has 240 recs. kath Mar 2016 #215

OP was PPR'd. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #224

"Trending Now" on the front page has an OP about this kerfluffle. senz Mar 2016 #216

I disavow this. joshcryer Mar 2016 #223

K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #225

Rec for pissing off all Puglover Mar 2016 #232