Bernie Sanders
In reply to the discussion: Great chart of Bernie's positives ...but does tend to make the others look bad. [View all]L0oniX
(31,493 posts)If we go down the list, it is fairly accurate.
I will go down the list and show why it is fairly accurate.
1) Yes, both Sanders and Clinton are Pro-Choice. Check.
2) Yes, Sanders is for Universal Health Care. No Clinton is not. She argued for mandated health insurance in 2008. Many voted for Obama who was against the mandated insurance option in 2008 only to reverse his position once elected and go full in on HeritageCare. Check.
3) Yes, Clinton is on record as being for 'full' gun control. And Sanders record is more neutral. He has been consistent for some controls on guns but not 'full' control. He still receives an F rating from the NRA so he is definitely not a full blown 'gun nuter'. Check.
4) I am going to address both Against Big Business and Against Wall Street as they are so intimately intertwined. Sanders has been consistently opposed to the excesses of corporations and Wall Street for decades. Clinton has not. She is on record saying that pitchforks are not support for business. She was involved as SoS with drafting aspects of the TPP. She has been a board member of Walmart, one of the most predatory abusers of corporate welfare in this country. On both of those, yes, that is a big Check.
5) Sanders has consistently been against drug criminalization. Clinton since the 1990's has embraced the war on drugs.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/clinton-legalization-not-the-answer-to-the-drug-war-150696.html one such example. Sanders began speaking about legalizing marijuana as early as 2001. Again, another Check.
6) Sanders is consistent and completely congruent when it comes to money in politics and overturning Citizens United. He has refused to take corporate money. Clinton at best is incongruent only giving lip service at this time to this by stating she will over-turn it but is still taking the money. I would give this a qualified check but it is still closer to being accurate than not.
7) Sanders is definitely against the NSA surveillance state. Clinton has consistently voted for it and supported Obama's positions on it. Check again.
8) Both are in agreement on climate change. Check.
9) As far as affordable college goes, this one is definitely inaccurate and should be changed. Both Sanders and Clinton have a history of proposing legislation and ideas that would make college more affordable. Now to be fair, his idea is more socialist in nature in that he wants the government to cover it like it is in many European countries. Clinton has on the other hand wanted to engage private sector business leaders in making college education more affordable. I would prefer Sanders way, but I would not say she is against affordable education.
10) I addressed the minimum wage above. Sanders has both words and actions to back up his position. At this point in time, we have a recent tweet in support from Clinton but no specific positions or time-frames. So that one is nuanced but not inaccurate. Check.
11) Concerning the NDAA, the TPP, the Patriot Act, and the Iraq War, this is completely accurate. Sanders has been vocally consistent in his opposition to all four and has voted accordingly. Clinton has been inconsistent on the TPP (in fact rather silent) but worked on provisions during her time at State, fully supports and voted for the Iraq War, fully supports and voted for the Patriot Act renewals, and fully supports the NDAA and voted accordingly. Check, check, check and check.
12) As far as internet censorship goes, Sanders again is completely congruent in language and action including votes against such things as SOPA. Clinton has yet again been very incongruent. She has spoken out against censorship but then fully supports prosecution of Manning, Wikileaks & Asange, Snowden, and was completely behind SOPA and CISPA.
http://www.thewire.com/technology/2011/12/hillary-clinton-hero-and-villain-internet/45975/ I would say that again I would give this one a qualified check because it is still closer to being accurate than not.
13) Finally, on the issue of gay marriage. This is another that I have mixed thoughts on. It is true that Sanders has been a vocal supporter of civil rights for LGBT individuals since the 1990's. He voted against DADT and DOMA. Clinton on the other hand had to evolve and did not come out strongly for gay marriage until 2013/2014. If we are saying today, do they both support it, then yes, this one is also wrong and should be corrected. If we are saying that out of the four as far as history goes, then yes, Sanders has been for these rights as long as he has been in politics, the two GOP'ers are totally against and have been, and Clinton was and is no longer.
So, no this graphic is not a huge lie. There are only two out of the seventeen that are questionable. One needs to be changed because it is completely inaccurate, and one needs to be changed because it is nuanced but not completely inaccurate. All of the rest are dead on accurate and shows the striking differences between these two Democratic candidates. There are more differences between them than there are between Clinton and the two GOP candidates on economic policies, foreign policies, and the surveillance state.
And as I argued above, these are the types of graphics that will sway low information voters who learn about candidates from Tumblr and other social networking sites. With two minor adjustments, this would be fully and completely accurate graphic for such a purpose.