Democratic Primaries

Celerity

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73. here we go again with the AOC-attacked Pelosi bullshit, give it a rest please

Tue Apr 30, 2019, 06:14 PM

Apr 2019

It is not a good look to keep on relentless repeated debunked RW and twitter toll pushed garbage.

Also, Ryan is not going to be the VP

Lunchbucket voters going to Trump was NOT the only reason Tump won those 3 states. I have in massive detail in other posts, the African American vote collapsed there (and many black men, more than usual, voted Rethug as well) too. Ryan alienates too many core groups to be a viable VP choice. Pelosi fans, woman, POC, and progressive left. He would be a poor, poor choice, worse than Kaine, who was a bad choice as well. The only thing Ryan has over Kaine is that he is a far better speaker. I still have no clue why Hillary picked Kaine. Not a wise choice. Let's not repeat history.

You simply cannot run a good old boy, white male only centrist ticket (with one of them a known anti-Pelosi insurgent) without courting big trouble. I profoundly disagree with you on your anti-female candidates stance. You know this as we have been going back and forth for months. I personally find it offensive to be told over and over and over that the country is too misogynistic to run a woman. Did you same the same thing about Obama running in 2008, just flipped to a black man can not win in this country, it is too racist?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Two maps showing what happens if we take WI, MI and PA. Go to the website make your own maps. [View all] Demsrule86 Apr 2019 OP

Good info. It seems selecting a VP that would be popular in those states would help as well. jalan48 Apr 2019 #1

I think Biden would be best as the presidential candidate ...he will take PA for sure...born there. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #3

I kinda thought the VP was going to be a woman this time around. jalan48 Apr 2019 #5

It is risky and I don't see a woman who adds to the ticket...in terms of giving us another state. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #8

wow qazplm135 Apr 2019 #11

It is not sexist at all...and maybe Obama would have won the rustbelt without Biden but Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #18

then you are blind qazplm135 Apr 2019 #27

Show me how they win... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #30

you're the one who made the original claim qazplm135 Apr 2019 #33

I showed you the map...talked about georgraphyand but you can't show me because none can win the Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #36

Lol qazplm135 Apr 2019 #42

Tell me how you see these candidates stopping Trump in the midwest...rebuilding the blue wall. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #50

ummmm... qazplm135 Apr 2019 #61

He had about the same popularity as now...not that much different. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #64

sigh qazplm135 Apr 2019 #70

The positions Harris has taken will allow the right to brand her as left...unfairly Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #71

This is just blind opinion qazplm135 Apr 2019 #74

A Biden/Ryan ticket is a disaster waiting to happen for Joe Celerity Apr 2019 #43

We need to balance the ticket so I don't see the benefit for Klobachar or Ryan as VP... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #51

This may be crazy but how about Michelle Obama is she would do it...I know I know...probably not Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #52

she has pretty much (not a faux stance, unfortunately IMHO) really slammed the door on ever running Celerity Apr 2019 #60

Yeah I agree with you. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #68

The Obamas have moved on.They're living the high life, having fun, producing films.... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #99

That's good but I miss them. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #101

oh yeah that is all they are doing now days lunasun May 2019 #132

She said no, believe her. She is very, very busy with Obama Foundation work. Sunlei May 2019 #119

If you looked at the map, you would realize the importance of those few lunchbucket states. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #72

here we go again with the AOC-attacked Pelosi bullshit, give it a rest please Celerity Apr 2019 #73

It has never been debunked...it is factual. She faced a challenge on the right and left. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #75

it was debunked on so many threads here Celerity May 2019 #124

Time will tell. Demsrule86 May 2019 #134

Here is what happens in the "rust belt" now AND in 2016 Sunlei May 2019 #120

But Biden & Kaine were from different geographical areas... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #93

That may not be true anymore anyway treestar May 2019 #114

Klobuchar is from that area. She would seem to be the best fit. jalan48 Apr 2019 #15

She would be the only one who might help the ticket...Minnesetoa is different than the states Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #19

That's what I was thinking. I like her, too. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #95

I would think she would help more in those states than Harris. Harris will do well in the South but jalan48 Apr 2019 #103

" Can a woman be elected Vice president or President? I am not sure." ?? pangaia Apr 2019 #25

Good reminder. Demit Apr 2019 #54

And I want a woman president. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #76

Being born there is no guarentee Merlot Apr 2019 #10

Big difference...Tennessee was gone by the time he ran for president for us...the blue wall is not Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #14

The bad guys will do that anyway Sugarcoated Apr 2019 #63

I lived in Matamoras PA some years ago. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #77

Not sure where that is Sugarcoated Apr 2019 #78

60 miles or so from New York City..,Delaware water gap...tri-state area. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #92

so your argument is that Biden alone can win those three states?? qazplm135 Apr 2019 #2

What candidates who are currently running will rebuild the blue wall Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #6

lol qazplm135 Apr 2019 #9

You need Geography to rebuild the blue wall...and Kamala is not moderate enough...Beto is Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #12

Democrats might do well to nominate Julian Castro as VP Desert grandma Apr 2019 #57

I agree with you. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #67

Mayor Pete is a great guy but will not win in the rustbelt. He won a very blue city in Indiana. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #13

How do you know this a year out? leftofcool Apr 2019 #84

I live in the rustbelt. And I have read some of what he said about manufacturing. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #86

You mean the truth about automation? leftofcool Apr 2019 #87

It is a factor but not now ...mostly a convenient excuse... Delphi sent presses Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #89

It's clear you never intended to vote for anybody but Biden. marylandblue May 2019 #137

What did he say? marylandblue Apr 2019 #90

That job losses are due to robotics... and some jobs are lost that way, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #91

I suppose telling the truth has it's disadvantages leftofcool Apr 2019 #94

But it is not true,..job losses here are due to moving jobs overseas, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #97

Correct leftofcool May 2019 #106

The jobs have to come back and they could with proper support for Demsrule86 May 2019 #108

And what did Biden say about this? Has he explained his vote on NAFTA? marylandblue Apr 2019 #96

Yes he has. And more recently has a great record on labor. He would never Demsrule86 May 2019 #109

I looked into what Pete said. He never said we don't need manufacturing jobs marylandblue May 2019 #113

He said we lost 6 jobs to robotics for every 1 job to globalism... Demsrule86 May 2019 #133

Is he wrong? And he has not taken a position on trade agreements marylandblue May 2019 #135

Agreed leftofcool Apr 2019 #83

Another path is to win Fla and either AZ or NC Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #4

All the rustbelt states (MI, WI and PA) have Democratic governors elected or reelectd in 18 Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #7

We are better off widening the map. StevieM Apr 2019 #17

It is called a blue wall...it saves us from defeat. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #21

We did win Arizona in 1996. And we would have won it in 2016 had it not been for Comey. StevieM Apr 2019 #26

96? Interestiing...Clinton's second term...That was 23 years ago...and I have no idea why you think Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #31

I assume you meant to say in 16. StevieM Apr 2019 #39

I did mean 16. Thanks for that...but a longtime DUer says that he would not count on Arizona. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #48

winning rustbelt would not only destroy trump AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #56

That would be awesome. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #69

Let's not rehash the 2016 election. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #98

Trump is looking to win in the same three states as in 16... Demsrule86 May 2019 #110

I was reminding you.... Honeycombe8 May 2019 #115

Trump approval at 45% N.C., 44% Fla, 43% AZ, Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #20

A Southernnor would round out the ticket...agree with everything you said. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22

I think NC is a possibility with Biden. Not sure about any of the other candidates. mnhtnbb May 2019 #123

This is why we need someone that can expand the map rather than just fighting to keep the old one. Renew Deal Apr 2019 #16

We need to win and there is little chance of expansion...I would not bet on AZ, NC or FL. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23

Year-by-year the demographics are changing in favour of Democrats VMA131Marine Apr 2019 #28

Do not expect AZ to go blue. If it happens, great, but absolutely do not plan on it. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #29

The rustbelt blue wall is a better bet...I think. what do you think about the Senate race? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #37

Kelly will have a much harder time than people think, with his stance on the AWB LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #40

AWB? Cha Apr 2019 #44

Assault Weapons Ban. He advocates regulating semiautomatic weapons as the same as LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #45

Oh yeah.. Thank You.. Cha Apr 2019 #46

I love the guy, but I don't consider that sensible LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #47

Given what happened to his wife, maybe some will understand. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #80

I understand the emotion, certainly; my brother's family shops at that store LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #82

Yeah...she will never fully recover...his wife I mean. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #88

Sorry to hear that. Baby steps folks, we get nothing without the Senate. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #79

Agreed LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #102

Sure Demographics are changing but not in the states we need and not soon enough. We must defeat Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #32

I can't wait for the day we take Texas from that grubby little hands tymorial Apr 2019 #24

I want Texas too..it will happen maybe this year... but we can't count on it. As for Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #34

Oh I dont disagree in regards to the electoral college. tymorial Apr 2019 #35

Very true. They would have little chance, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #81

TEXAS will be MORE blue !!!! trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #38

Your entire argument is. marylandblue Apr 2019 #41

I presented facts...Trumps only path to victory is in PA, WI and MI. He has sent people to PA Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #49

Yes, your opinion, that's my point. You hammer this as if it were a done deal. marylandblue Apr 2019 #55

Where else can Trump win? Demsrule86 May 2019 #111

That's step 6 of your circular argument where we circle back to "here's a map." marylandblue May 2019 #116

You didn't answer the question. Demsrule86 May 2019 #131

What for? All you do is look at a map and say you don't see it. marylandblue May 2019 #136

Don't forget the results of polls being taken nine months before the primaries! Demit Apr 2019 #58

They hint at what will come. Demsrule86 May 2019 #112

You are doing much more than "hinting." marylandblue May 2019 #117

I am expressing my opinion. Biden can rebuild the blue wall. I don't see other candidates Demsrule86 May 2019 #130

How he campaigns will determine what comes. Demit May 2019 #121

I think we should be able to win AZ AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #53

I am not counting on it...a sitting senator was taken down in Florida and we always think we will Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #65

Sinema is a centrist, and her opponent ran such a horrible campaign that even some Republicans LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #85

certainly no more centrist than Biden and trump is much less acceptable than mcsally AlexSFCA May 2019 #105

I hope so. Demsrule86 May 2019 #129

here's 2016 with JUST Texas flipped: Amimnoch Apr 2019 #59

Um That's Texas AND Arizona? crazytown Apr 2019 #62

Without Arizona that is 270 ...bare minimum. This brings home that we have to rebuild the blue wall. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #66

Thanks. edited and fixed. Amimnoch May 2019 #107

None of the above Bayard Apr 2019 #100

That is a good point. VPS don't have to be current candidates. Demsrule86 May 2019 #125

Last I saw we were losing NV. On MI WI and PA we Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #104

It is our only shot. Demsrule86 May 2019 #126

Rs used the same maps when they managed to disinfranchise & spoiler vote small percent. Sunlei May 2019 #118

No doubt, but it is how they win. How else can we win? Demsrule86 May 2019 #127

I think Biden could take NC. Not sure any of the other candidates could do that. mnhtnbb May 2019 #122

That would be great. Demsrule86 May 2019 #128