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Hortensis

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64. Biden behaves as was once normal for gentlemen in politics,
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 12:58 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Fri Mar 1, 2019, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)

in the days of functional government where the parties routinely worked across the aisle and socialized with each other as part of their work. No one should mistake courtesy and determination to work with opponents to reach common goals -- if possible -- for weakness or lack of principle.

By the standards of the New Deal era that ended in the 1980s and those of this new era, what Democrats did to try to not lose their offices to Republicans entirely during our nation's dark conservative retreat of the 1980s-1990s doesn't look good.

In those days, though, the Democratic Party was so weakened and rejected by majorities of voters that many experts said it was dying. That the age of liberalism and progressivism was OVER. Well, we didn't die, but the American electorate in shifting right and becoming more conservative, including many on the left who wanted a retrenching to a mostly fictional past, did make us increasingly unable to protect the liberal and progressive government we had created.

Biden was senator in the middle of that battle and played a role in some things we all regret now, but back then he and other survivors in office were able to save all the New Deal and most of liberalism's civil rights advances, all of which the Republicans fully intended to destroy. Our Democrats even managed some genuine advances and overall were able to block most of the damage and return to pre-Constitution thinking that the Republicans were (and are) determined on.

And now Biden and the rest have been operating in a very different environment, one empowered by increasing strengthening of many once-wobbly/sometimes-Democratic voters, who have seen what conservatism has brought over the past 40 years, and increasingly threatens, and have rediscovered they want the blessings of liberalism after all, and of the progressivism in government that is intrinsic to it.

"As Justice Brandeis said, 'We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.' We must end that injustice and restore the public’s faith in a better future for themselves and their children.' ~ Nancy Pelosi speaking to the nation


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Biden is no Obama. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #1
Didn't say he was Yosemito Feb 2019 #2
THIS is why we don't need Biden now. CharleyDog Feb 2019 #3
Ditto here lunatica Mar 2019 #37
HW Bush, not W. n/t namahage Feb 2019 #4
HW was anti-LGBT Yosemito Feb 2019 #5
Pence is "decent" on a superficial level radius777 Feb 2019 #6
Pence is never decent radical noodle Mar 2019 #44
Pence is not a decent guy. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2019 #7
Yes, very disappointed in Joe for saying that. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #86
A lot of pearl clutching because Joe Biden respects the dignity of the office in public. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #8
I couldn't agree more. Everything you said is right on. I am more and more convinced with so still_one Feb 2019 #9
+1 Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #57
+1 WheelWalker Mar 2019 #61
Exactly nt Raine Mar 2019 #85
The two of them have probably had a lot of interactions crazycatlady Feb 2019 #10
Depends. namahage Feb 2019 #16
I'm undecided as of now crazycatlady Feb 2019 #19
I have to agree with Cynthia on this one. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #11
A lot of people have been hurt by Pence's anti-gay rhetoric ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #12
Cynthia Nixon would be better served directing her ire towards Pence. Devil Child Feb 2019 #13
YES, D C, but it appears to have worked, around here anyway. elleng Mar 2019 #28
Unfortunately so Devil Child Mar 2019 #39
Sure as hell does. elleng Mar 2019 #40
Context is important: Biden was referencing Pence introducing Trump at the Munich R B Garr Feb 2019 #14
so he's schmoozing with republicans (and others) at a republican-sponsored event bigtree Feb 2019 #18
Biden was at a foreign relations conference attacking a R B Garr Feb 2019 #20
it's absurd, all right. bigtree Feb 2019 #21
Uh huh. Good to see you are against GOP presidents R B Garr Feb 2019 #23
ooh, projection! bigtree Mar 2019 #24
You tried to put a phony context into something that R B Garr Mar 2019 #25
Some folks seem more interested in attacking Democrats than Republicans. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #34
Exactly, and now even attacking Democrats who are out R B Garr Mar 2019 #35
Cynthia Nixon was endorsed in that race by the so-called "Justice Democrats." CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #36
Thanks for confirming that. I thought I remembered that but R B Garr Mar 2019 #38
lol bigtree Mar 2019 #46
"Attack?" LOL. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #49
"fan of Kamala Harris" bigtree Mar 2019 #55
If Biden wants to campaign as a moderate he's going to get pushback bigtree Mar 2019 #47
You are really out on a limb here, lol. I can't keep up with R B Garr Mar 2019 #52
you mention Russia bigtree Mar 2019 #58
You aren't even making sense. R B Garr Mar 2019 #62
you still here? bigtree Mar 2019 #65
Biden was in a red state attacking a GOP president. R B Garr Mar 2019 #67
irrelevant to you bigtree Mar 2019 #69
You sound very mired yourself. R B Garr Mar 2019 #71
this is the weakness of this forum bigtree Mar 2019 #73
It wasn't a dodge. The purity standards are tiresome R B Garr Mar 2019 #74
it's just a cutsie insult bigtree Mar 2019 #75
The purity standards are well-known and frankly your R B Garr Mar 2019 #76
'bizarre' 'purity' bigtree Mar 2019 #78
LOL! Seriously? Look at how much you have written R B Garr Mar 2019 #79
something tells me you'll get over it bigtree Mar 2019 #80
More bizarre projections. R B Garr Mar 2019 #83
THANKS, R B. elleng Mar 2019 #29
And thank you for that, elleng. R B Garr Mar 2019 #30
Yes, I noticed that. elleng Mar 2019 #32
Biden v Pence in 2020 is a real possibility. What then Cynthia? oasis Feb 2019 #15
Pence is a typical Post-Nixon/Pre-Trump Republican. Dawson Leery Feb 2019 #17
Wow! Joe called Pence a decent guy!? workinclasszero Feb 2019 #22
Biden walks back praise for Pence following criticism Eugene Mar 2019 #26
Cynthia who? RandySF Mar 2019 #27
The New York actress candidate who badmouthed Cuomo R B Garr Mar 2019 #31
Exactly, Cynthia who... Devil Child Mar 2019 #41
Miranda on Sex and the City crazycatlady Mar 2019 #63
20 years ago Trenzalore Mar 2019 #33
So now asking someone to "please consider" something is an attack? Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #42
People on the left attacking Biden will help him gain more moderate support madville Mar 2019 #43
there are Democrats who feel they're under attack when they hear the former VP praising Pence bigtree Mar 2019 #48
It is all in your head. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #50
Someone named Nixon is attacking Joe Biden. ucrdem Mar 2019 #45
Is that all she said? That's not an attack. It's an appropriate comment Orangepeel Mar 2019 #51
I see that we're going to need the fainting couches tymorial Mar 2019 #53
This is leadership. We need to act with civility... zaj Mar 2019 #54
She did not "attack" him Evergreen Emerald Mar 2019 #56
Sure sounds like an attack to me. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #59
So disagreeing is now considered an attack? Evergreen Emerald Mar 2019 #60
Biden behaves as was once normal for gentlemen in politics, Hortensis Mar 2019 #64
Those days ended some forty fucking years ago. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #68
The "divided we fall" program? No. Hortensis Mar 2019 #70
lolwut Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #72
:) Discuss primary preferences and dislikes, but Hortensis Mar 2019 #81
A specious proposition, I feel. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #84
Joe is a good man and I would likely support him if he runs Gothmog Mar 2019 #66
Joe, Joe, Joe Faux pas Mar 2019 #77
Pence is not a player Miles Archer Mar 2019 #82
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