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Celerity

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17. Not saying that Bernie isnt toast, BUT this is a dodgy online poll by Mark Penn often used by RWers
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:13 PM
May 2019


Little example of Mark Penn's work at Fox News

Mark Penn: Trump is not a dictator, Nadler is. Our political system is being weaponized against itself

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mark-penn-trump-nadler-dictator-barr-house-hearing


The Harvard-Harris Poll Scam

On Dec 15, Mark Penn, the longtime political operative who is co-director of the Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll, declared in a piece published by The Hill (and reproduced in various ways Real Clear Politics, Fox Insider, and numerous right-wing and conspiracy theory sites) that Mueller, FBI face crisis in public confidence ! [I added the exclamation point to the headline in The Hill]. That such a crisis in confidence is what the Trump administration and some Trump-loyalist members of Congress have been claiming is — or at least should be — occurring does not of course mean that the Harvard-Harris poll, if it had actually shown such a crisis were occurring among those it surveyed, would have been wrong.

But a look inside the poll reveals something well, let’s just say a little bit off. Confession: although I follow politics, elections, and polls closely, I am by no means an expert on polling methodology. On the other hand, I am not an expert in wildlife, but I can tell when there is a skunk nearby. Before I get into the poll’s actual and alleged findings, let me acknowledge the impressive academic positions of those who have associated with Mark Penn in producing it.

According to the Harvard-Harris Poll homepage, The co-directors of the poll are Stephen D. Ansolabehere — Professor of Government & Director, Center for American Political Studies, Harvard University and Mark J. Penn — Visiting Lecturer, Harvard University & Managing Partner, The Stagwell Group. The site also credits Dritan Nesho — Fellow, Harvard Institute for Quantitative Social Science & CEO of HarrisX.

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A link to a poll favorable to Trump's policies

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-updates-everything-president-a-link-to-a-poll-favorable-to-trump-s-1487715242-htmlstory.html




WTF is the "Harvard-Harris Poll," anyway?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/21/1636308/-WTF-is-the-Harvard-Harris-Poll-anyway


I’m sure we’ve all been besieged by this barrage of information purporting to come from the “Harvard-Harris Poll.” Headlines like Poll: Americans overwhelmingly oppose sanctuary cities, and Poll reveals majority of Americans want Democrats to work with Trump, and Harvard Poll: Americans Brimming With Confidence on Jobs, Economy are drawing rapturous responses from the likes of Kellyanne Conway and Rush Limbaugh. According to one Hill article, “Harvard-Harris Poll is a collaboration of the Harvard Center for American Political Studies and the Harris Poll.” Its “co-director” appears to be Mark Penn, apparently of Hillary Clinton 2008 fame. The “Harvard-Harris Poll” offers a lot of slick graphics to go with its snazzy numbers, but lacks that most elementary of internet accoutrements: a website.

So I looked for information about the “Harvard-Harris Poll” on the Harvard Center for American Political Studies website. Not a peep about this epoch-making collaboration. The same is true of the Harris Poll website, which looks like it might have died last month. I also checked to see if the Hill itself had announced the rollout somewhere along the line, but no dice. The "Harvard-Harris Poll” came online with no fanfare and just spouting some seriously strange looking numbers. I can’t believe that a site of the Hill’s quality has been catfished. I know for a fact that Mark Penn exists. But I can’t escape the feeling that something hinky is going on here. Somebody please clue me in.


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hard pass on this trash
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Bazinga! George II May 2019 #13
Not saying that Bernie isnt toast, BUT this is a dodgy online poll by Mark Penn often used by RWers Celerity May 2019 #17
538 has it rated C+ with a slight right bias. TwilightZone May 2019 #20
I am not even really taking issue with Bernie's numbers, it is all under him that are crazy outliers Celerity May 2019 #23
That was a lot of effort to say the poll is suspicious NYMinute May 2019 #21
I always put in effort into my posts, I detest drive-by hit jobs Celerity May 2019 #24
You did the homework NYMinute May 2019 #29
btw, just so you do not think me a Bernie fan, I am not taking issue with his numbers, it is many Celerity May 2019 #31
Wasn't the Harvard-Harris poll the same one namahage May 2019 #36
indeed it was Celerity May 2019 #40
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He's already hired Nina Turner, David Sirota, and Briahna Gray and been endorsed by... George II May 2019 #25
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