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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Sun May 5, 2019, 02:02 PM May 2019

"Will Black Voters Still Love Biden When They Remember Who He Was?" [View all]

"Joe Biden once called state-mandated school integration “the most racist concept you can come up with,” and Barack Obama “the first sort of mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean.” He was a staunch opponent of “forced busing” in the 1970s, and leading crusader for mass incarceration throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s. Uncle Joe has described African-American felons as “predators” too sociopathic to rehabilitate — and white supremacist senators as his friends.

And, as of this writing, a plurality of black Democrats want him to be their party’s 2020 nominee.

Whether Biden can retain that support, after voters learn more about his problematic past, could very well determine the outcome of the party’s primary race. To explore that question, let’s pick through the former vice-president’s hefty baggage on racial justice — and then, the case for thinking that Obama’s halo will prove to be brighter than the shadow of Biden’s record is dark.

Biden helped kill the most effective policy for improving black educational attainment that America has ever known.

Joe Biden was for desegregating America’s schools, until his constituents were against it. When the Delaware Democrat launched his first campaign for the Senate in 1972, the Supreme Court had just ruled that the Constitution required policymakers to pursue “the greatest possible degree of actual desegregation” — and that forcing white students to attend schools in black neighborhoods, and vice versa, was a legitimate means of doing so. Being an enlightened liberal, Biden began his candidacy as an advocate for such policies. He accused Republicans of demagoguing the busing issue, and appealing to white voters’ ugliest instincts.

But as his campaign progressed, and Biden discerned that the arc of history was bending toward white backlash, the young candidate bent with it. He became a caricature of a white northern liberal — arguing that forced busing was appropriate for the South (where segregation was the product of racist laws), but unnecessary for the North (where, Biden pretended, it merely reflected the preferences of the white and black communities).

Once in the Senate, Biden continued to triangulate, voting for most, though not all, f the anti-busing amendments that came before him. But for his overwhelmingly white constituents, nothing less than massive resistance to busing would suffice. The New Castle County Neighborhood Schools Association booed Biden off the stage at one event in 1974. One year later, the Delaware senator broke ranks with northern liberals— and joined his virulently racist North Carolina colleague Jesse Helms in voting to kneecap all federal efforts to integrate schools, anywhere in the country. Specifically, Biden voted to bar the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare from requiring schools to provide information on the racial makeup of their student bodies — thereby making it nigh-impossible for Uncle Sam to withhold federal funds from school districts that refused to integrate."

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/joe-biden-record-on-busing-incarceration-racial-justice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

I think the single biggest favor anyone ever did for Biden was when President Obama selected him for VP.

It let Biden have 8 years of serving in the first African American presidential administration and THAT helped diminish a lot of Biden's problematic past positions on racial issues.

Well, on the upside, Trump won't use any of this material against Biden in the general election, his base might like the anti-busing stuff.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Sure are a lot of anit-Biden posts on DU lately. Guess he's scared... brush May 2019 #1
Who do you think is scared? lol uawchild May 2019 #5
:) And yet you're posting against Biden, who belies Hortensis May 2019 #14
lol, I think it's called vetting, and all sides do it. uawchild May 2019 #17
A barrage of hit pieces is not "vetting". We're united Democrats, not operatives out to destroy Dems emulatorloo May 2019 #34
Tell that to Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #52
Bernie made himself the exception. BannonsLiver May 2019 #64
Better yet, tell that to Nina Turner, Briahna Gray, David Sirota, Cornell West, and Susan Sarandon. George II May 2019 #65
+1000. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #84
You allege it's vetting. LanternWaste May 2019 #75
It's pretty obvious who's scared. lapucelle May 2019 #49
Uh huh mcar May 2019 #51
+1. BeckyDem May 2019 #58
You've got to be kidding ... if you walked thru a mall in the US and asked who Obama's VP was mr_lebowski May 2019 #76
Joe Biden was NEVER against school integration, he was against busing. Integration is a result.... George II May 2019 #85
Thanks for the clarification :) mr_lebowski May 2019 #88
Science does not support theory of faster aging of presidents delisen May 2019 #77
And curiously those who profess a preferred candidate rarely, if ever, post about their own. George II May 2019 #42
That's it? That't the best you can do? lpbk2713 May 2019 #2
cough Jesse Helms cough uawchild May 2019 #4
cough Sierra Blanca cough ehrnst May 2019 #15
cough are you mistaking me for a Sanders supporter? cough lol uawchild May 2019 #21
cough, I don't recall you ever posting about Booker, although you may have..... George II May 2019 #25
You seemed to have realized halfway thru your post you might be wrong... lol uawchild May 2019 #26
Then why aren't you posting positive threads about Booker rather than attempting to 'destroy' others emulatorloo May 2019 #38
Then why the shade for Biden only? What about the pro-gun, pro-Russia votes in very recent sessions lapucelle May 2019 #55
Lots of coughing here. I thought flu season was over. sheshe2 May 2019 #56
cough...my throat's kinda scratchy so I really just have to cough.. qazplm135 May 2019 #28
Cough when did I refer to you as a Sanders supporter? cough ehrnst May 2019 #74
MANY Democrats worked with Jesse Helms over the years, primarily to GET THINGS DONE! At least.... George II May 2019 #22
This is the saddest part of all of this; partisan obstruction has gone on so long that many now LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #24
I'll trust Obama who was not concerned over trumped R B Garr May 2019 #43
The time for civility towards RethugliKKKons is long past... certainly we've learned that by NOW!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #54
Have a Vicks. sheshe2 May 2019 #59
Expect it to come up repeatedly over the next 18 months progressoid May 2019 #27
All black voters have to remember is what Trump and GOP are doing beachbum bob May 2019 #3
And vote for one of several great democratic candidates that might be nominee. n/t uawchild May 2019 #6
You mean Cory, correct? sheshe2 May 2019 #70
Anyone one not in their 70's actually. uawchild May 2019 #81
And black voters definitely don't need to be reminded what we should be paying attention to StarfishSaver May 2019 #35
Why do you assume voters of color mcar May 2019 #53
Correct. sheshe2 May 2019 #71
Exactly, mcar.. African Cha May 2019 #83
Biden was ONLY against busing as a way to effect desegregation NYMinute May 2019 #7
Biden joined in with Jesse Helms, the biggest racist in the Senate at the time. uawchild May 2019 #8
lol .. nice try NYMinute May 2019 #9
invoking the Obama HALO EFFECT? That's a weak defense of Biden's actual record uawchild May 2019 #11
President Obama disagrees with your insults.. Cha May 2019 #72
That'll leave a mark. ehrnst May 2019 #78
You'd think.. Cha May 2019 #79
Thurgood Marshall wasn't opposed to busing StarfishSaver May 2019 #16
Yes, we will still love Joe! That won't change... Skya Rhen May 2019 #10
Obama's praise of Biden at the close of the 2020 Dem convention oasis May 2019 #12
How would black voters know who and who not to support if white people didn't educate us StarfishSaver May 2019 #13
Priceless ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one May 2019 #40
... nolabear May 2019 #61
Remember? It would take seniors citizens to "remember." And we're pragmatic Kahuna7 May 2019 #18
Go for it; try to paint Biden as a racist. It will probably not turn out the way you want. LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #19
I'd like to know if he remembers who he was loyalsister May 2019 #20
The piece suggests the AA community doesn't know its own mind and peggysue2 May 2019 #23
And, we know better than that, Cha May 2019 #29
Can you imagine, Cha? peggysue2 May 2019 #32
Perfectly stated... Skya Rhen May 2019 #30
Very well said. emulatorloo May 2019 #36
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2019 #37
You're welcome, all peggysue2 May 2019 #39
I'm not making a decision based on negative info used against candidates. Hassler May 2019 #31
we will see. as I've said before ( based on absolutely nothing) he won't be our candidate. i hope Kurt V. May 2019 #33
Biden had a problem with the METHOD of integrating schools, not integration in general.... George II May 2019 #41
Biden helped bar HEW from withholding funds from school districts that refused to integrate uawchild May 2019 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author George II May 2019 #45
Can you talk about Cory Booker sometime? Because that would be helpful to him emulatorloo May 2019 #73
"Forced busing" is a loaded term StarfishSaver May 2019 #46
The media underestimates Biden's strengths Gothmog May 2019 #47
For those who believe that bussing is the way to go, urge your candidate to bring back busing, and still_one May 2019 #48
I appreciate your post, still_one.. Cha May 2019 #60
Thanks Cha. There seems to be some very ugly insinuations being thrown about, and the mortive still_one May 2019 #62
It's like saying that people who are against farm subsidies are in favor of mass starvation. George II May 2019 #67
I'm very unhappy about his position on busing StarfishSaver May 2019 #69
Precisely. I'd be willing to bet they would all run the other way. George II May 2019 #66
This again? mcar May 2019 #50
1972? betsuni May 2019 #57
This really makes me want to vote for Booker. You've sold me! BannonsLiver May 2019 #63
IKR sheshe2 May 2019 #68
i doubt the poster actually supports Booker JI7 May 2019 #82
Yes, I'm beginning to figure that out. BannonsLiver May 2019 #86
Washington Post-Opinion: Voters aren't playing along with the media narrative Gothmog May 2019 #80
Prediction From A Sanders Supporter corbettkroehler May 2019 #87
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