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George II

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Mon May 6, 2019, 11:27 AM May 2019

Bernie Says Immigration Threatens the Social Safety Net. Research Shows Otherwise [View all]

Bernie Says Immigration Threatens the Social Safety Net. Research Shows Otherwise

The Vermont senator shares the same zero-sum mindset on immigration as his Republican counterparts, including Donald Trump.

JACK HERRERAAPR 11, 2019

Since the beginning of April, President Donald Trump has centered on a new message as he attempts to raise alarm about immigration on the country's southern border: "Our country is FULL!" he tweeted on Sunday, repeating claims he made to Border Patrol agents in in Calexico, California, that Friday.

Though Trump's new messaging is likely more of an emotional appeal than a demographic argument, reporters quickly fact-checked the president's claim: the New York Times ran a data-heavy article explaining how, in many parts of the country, shrinking towns and industries actually need more people. (Trump's claim "runs counter to the consensus among demographers and economists. ... They see ample evidence of a country that is not remotely 'full,'" the Times reported.)

The question of whether the country is indeed full aside, Trump's underlying assumption that the country could become "full" is a claim some of his most vociferous opponents on the left seem to also believe. On the same day Trump tweeted, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders explained in an Iowa town hall why he's against open borders: Too many poor people would come to the United States, Sanders explained, and the country could not afford to pay for policies like universal health care or free college.

"If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world," Sanders said. "And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."

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https://psmag.com/news/bernie-says-immigration-threatens-the-social-safety-net-research-shows-otherwise

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Keep digging, Bernie. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #1
Isolationism leads to war. yardwork May 2019 #2
Not to mention being core components of a free society LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #103
Honestly, it doesn't feel as though Bernie has reexamined his positions since well before 2016... hlthe2b May 2019 #3
You're correct. NurseJackie May 2019 #34
No it doesn't. Cha May 2019 #110
Fascinating. Democrats are now for open borders? Autumn May 2019 #4
Nobody is for open borders. But claiming that we can't afford to admit immigrants The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #10
He was discussing open borders. Like Obama he understands that we need to have border security, Autumn May 2019 #18
But nobody is advocating for open borders, so it's a straw man argument. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #19
Did you even read the OP? Bernie was at Iowa town hall and asked why he is FOR open borders. Autumn May 2019 #24
Thanks Autumn, for trying to bring some sense to the DU. rgbecker May 2019 #48
It's a waste of time and I'm done with it. Autumn May 2019 #53
Bernie's actual words getting fact checked? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #65
Please notify me when some actual checking of facts about Bernie is done. Minus the bias spin Autumn May 2019 #79
It's in the OP- there's a link to the full article. No bias spin. Try reading it. ehrnst May 2019 #80
You can't point to any bias - other than it's not supporting your bias. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #90
Did someone here ask about FACT CHECKING or VETTING of a candidate, boy what I would Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #91
SHHHHHHH!!!!!! ehrnst May 2019 #92
And yet most of what we hear and read about Warren or Harris or Biden or Booker or Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #98
It has direct, unedited quotes. George II May 2019 #63
Taken out of context and a lot left out. Autumn May 2019 #66
What context did the author of the OP leave out concerning Bernie's statement on the ehrnst May 2019 #68
Nothing about threatening the social safety net. rgbecker May 2019 #73
Juan Pedroza, an immigration expert disagrees. ehrnst May 2019 #76
Does that mean that the Mexican and Central American economies are weakened by emmigration? MichMan May 2019 #88
What was my point exactly? rgbecker May 2019 #89
In what way? Remember, the link to the entire article was included in the OP. George II May 2019 #72
Nobody is attacking BS. NurseJackie May 2019 #77
"We don't have room for immigrants, they will cost too much" is a RW talking point. ehrnst May 2019 #23
Here you go. Read it or don't. Autumn May 2019 #28
Does not address my point about him being wrong about immigrants and the social safety net. ehrnst May 2019 #30
Read it or don't. I didn't respond to any post of yours making a point Autumn May 2019 #32
Listen to what he actually said, and read the OP, or don't. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #37
Where have I heard that straw man attacked before...OH, right. ehrnst May 2019 #16
Where have I heard Bernie is wrong because he's against open borders...OH, right. Autumn May 2019 #22
You don't repeat RW talking points... ehrnst May 2019 #26
Sort of like, when Republicans say a policy is socialism, don't come out and say you're a socialist brooklynite May 2019 #33
You don't let them drive the conversation. You don't give in to their narrative. ehrnst May 2019 #38
You seem to have a lot of rules about what to talk about. rgbecker May 2019 #55
Just stating Democratic strategy that's worked. Basic strategy. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #56
So putting the spotlight on Bernie's statements, like any other POTUS candidate is "bashing." ehrnst May 2019 #60
Straw man. rgbecker May 2019 #69
Why don't you take it up with the author of the study? ehrnst May 2019 #74
Here. Cant help you beyond that. Autumn May 2019 #43
Here. Can't help you beyond that. ehrnst May 2019 #44
What's the point of this? George II May 2019 #40
Wow awesomerwb1 May 2019 #39
Nah, we're not for bullshit ass'd reasoning against immigration. uponit7771 May 2019 #94
I haven't seen that. Just Bernie answering a question that he's for immigration but Autumn May 2019 #95
Unnnnnn, Sanders said we can't afford open borders ... that's the right wing reason for not uponit7771 May 2019 #96
And who exactly is calling for open borders? peggysue2 May 2019 #5
EXACTLY what a TRUMPER would FUCKING SAY Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #11
I don't think any of our Democratic candidates are MineralMan May 2019 #6
Could it be he brought it up because he was asked a question about it at a town hall? Autumn May 2019 #51
It doesn't matter, really. He said it. MineralMan May 2019 #52
Yeah he should have told the guy he didn't "have the time to completely lay out all the details." Autumn May 2019 #57
When you speak to a reporter, you have to expect your words to MineralMan May 2019 #58
He didn't speak to a reporter, as I told you, he answered a question by an attendee. nt Autumn May 2019 #64
Apparently, it was recorded, then. MineralMan May 2019 #67
Candidates get fact checked. Apparently when it's Bernie's turn, then it's 'bashing,' ehrnst May 2019 #70
I suppose the rule every candidate has to follow is: "Be careful. You're on camera." MineralMan May 2019 #71
So What Are We Seeing Here? Me. May 2019 #7
yes and yet kit gloves treatment required on some message boards Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #12
OT and no shaming KitSileya May 2019 #20
It was a misprint...my bad. It is kid Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #47
Ah. So no fascinating linguistic anomaly. Too bad ;) NT KitSileya May 2019 #49
When I first started doing message boards the word spelled out that I use all the Eliot Rosewater May 2019 #50
Bernie's obsession with wooing Trump voters NYMinute May 2019 #8
Trump voters are hopeless. They worship Trump like he's their God, and The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #13
From your link. sheshe2 May 2019 #9
Oh, but we can't let a few pesky FACTS get in the way of our OPINIONS, can we? groundloop May 2019 #15
Good God--What threatens zentrum May 2019 #14
Well, that's quite a difference between Bernie and the Democratic Party. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #17
America doesn't have an Open Border now... billpolonsky May 2019 #21
This. nt. Skidmore May 2019 #85
So why would he say such a thing if the data and evidence says otherwise? NurseJackie May 2019 #25
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #27
I'm so happy relieved to see him imploding at a much faster rate than I though lunamagica May 2019 #29
+1000 Thekaspervote May 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 May 2019 #42
Preach it! NurseJackie May 2019 #62
Septuagenarian and still hasn't learned the rule of holes. nt fleabiscuit May 2019 #31
If I was in attendance at that rally sdfernando May 2019 #36
UNCONTROLLED immigration, he's right. Look at Europe & see their programs getting cut due to it. oldsoftie May 2019 #41
No one is talking about uncontrolled immigration but the GOP misrepresenting Democrats' positions. ehrnst May 2019 #45
As i read your headline i thought "And Bernie". Then i opened your comment! oldsoftie May 2019 #59
He voted against a pathway to citizenship... WeekiWater May 2019 #46
It's always something...."there's a comma out of place, I can't vote for that!!" George II May 2019 #81
Only Norwegians need apply dalton99a May 2019 #54
Heh! You're not the only one to notice that! NurseJackie May 2019 #78
Well, maybe Swedes and Russians. And Ukrainians. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #82
Actually Bernie did not say immigration threatens the social safety net. rgbecker May 2019 #61
You keep saying that, but you don't ever rebut the Juan Pedroza's case. ehrnst May 2019 #75
Still haven't read the article? ehrnst May 2019 #99
Followed all the links and can't find his article. rgbecker May 2019 #101
The link to the article with Pedroza's responses is in the OP ehrnst May 2019 #102
Is it under paywall or something? rgbecker May 2019 #104
I'm seeing the article linked in the OP just fine. No paywall. ehrnst May 2019 #105
Could you copy and paste the link? rgbecker May 2019 #106
Here you go again. Same one as in my previous response: ehrnst May 2019 #107
Sorry for the confusion. rgbecker May 2019 #108
You seem to be keep looking for a 'separate' article that doesn't exist. ehrnst May 2019 #109
Is he TRYING to lose? NastyRiffraff May 2019 #83
I don't know, but something is up. This morning he was complaining that his fundraising.... George II May 2019 #84
... mcar May 2019 #86
EU countries didn't have uncontrolled immigrations and open borders johannsyah May 2019 #87
Damn, smdh ... I need a video of this ... I just can't believe this Trump level sophistry. uponit7771 May 2019 #93
Thanks for posting this! Always a good reminder of who he R B Garr May 2019 #97
maybe next, he can support Trumps wall. Amimnoch May 2019 #100
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