Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Bernie Says Immigration Threatens the Social Safety Net. Research Shows Otherwise [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)26. You don't repeat RW talking points...
Just like you don't say we want to keep "Partial Birth Abortions" legal, you don't say that you want to "keep bad hombres from coming into the country," and you don't say that "open borders" is anything but a RW talking point that is designed to misrepresent Democratic policy.
And saying that most immigrants are poor, and that all these impoverished immigrants would swarm here and weaken the social safety net if given the chance is NOT SUPPORTED BY DATA, no matter if it's the GOP or Bernie repeating it. Did you bother to read the article in the OP? Because it appears that you missed that part of the debunked assumption that Sanders is reciting.
This is how you address any mention of "open borders:"
2020 candidate Julián Castro joins MTP Daily to discuss his plan for the ongoing crisis at the southern border and notes that the rhetoric of Democrats being for open borders is a talking point from the right.
You say, "No one is talking about open borders, that's a mischaracterization of Democratic policy. We have the resources to accept those who are refugees, and to give everyone who requests asylum a hearing. We need to put more resources into the causes of people fleeing, which is the opposite of what Trump is doing."
This isn't the first time he's made some tone deaf
And Bernie sure didn't help himself on the Daily Show with this statement:
Nobody, I mean not many people believe in open borders. If you simply opened the borders, youd have people from Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in. And no one thinks that is a plausible approach."
Who is he talking about that "believes in open borders?" I can guess, though.
Talk about tone deaf, listing countries with majority non-white populations as being the burdensome immigrants.
But as the saying goes, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
110 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Bernie Says Immigration Threatens the Social Safety Net. Research Shows Otherwise [View all]
George II
May 2019
OP
Honestly, it doesn't feel as though Bernie has reexamined his positions since well before 2016...
hlthe2b
May 2019
#3
Nobody is for open borders. But claiming that we can't afford to admit immigrants
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2019
#10
He was discussing open borders. Like Obama he understands that we need to have border security,
Autumn
May 2019
#18
But nobody is advocating for open borders, so it's a straw man argument.
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2019
#19
Did you even read the OP? Bernie was at Iowa town hall and asked why he is FOR open borders.
Autumn
May 2019
#24
Please notify me when some actual checking of facts about Bernie is done. Minus the bias spin
Autumn
May 2019
#79
It's in the OP- there's a link to the full article. No bias spin. Try reading it.
ehrnst
May 2019
#80
Did someone here ask about FACT CHECKING or VETTING of a candidate, boy what I would
Eliot Rosewater
May 2019
#91
And yet most of what we hear and read about Warren or Harris or Biden or Booker or
Eliot Rosewater
May 2019
#98
What context did the author of the OP leave out concerning Bernie's statement on the
ehrnst
May 2019
#68
Does that mean that the Mexican and Central American economies are weakened by emmigration?
MichMan
May 2019
#88
In what way? Remember, the link to the entire article was included in the OP.
George II
May 2019
#72
"We don't have room for immigrants, they will cost too much" is a RW talking point.
ehrnst
May 2019
#23
Does not address my point about him being wrong about immigrants and the social safety net.
ehrnst
May 2019
#30
Where have I heard Bernie is wrong because he's against open borders...OH, right.
Autumn
May 2019
#22
Sort of like, when Republicans say a policy is socialism, don't come out and say you're a socialist
brooklynite
May 2019
#33
You don't let them drive the conversation. You don't give in to their narrative.
ehrnst
May 2019
#38
So putting the spotlight on Bernie's statements, like any other POTUS candidate is "bashing."
ehrnst
May 2019
#60
I haven't seen that. Just Bernie answering a question that he's for immigration but
Autumn
May 2019
#95
Unnnnnn, Sanders said we can't afford open borders ... that's the right wing reason for not
uponit7771
May 2019
#96
Could it be he brought it up because he was asked a question about it at a town hall?
Autumn
May 2019
#51
Yeah he should have told the guy he didn't "have the time to completely lay out all the details."
Autumn
May 2019
#57
He didn't speak to a reporter, as I told you, he answered a question by an attendee. nt
Autumn
May 2019
#64
Candidates get fact checked. Apparently when it's Bernie's turn, then it's 'bashing,'
ehrnst
May 2019
#70
I suppose the rule every candidate has to follow is: "Be careful. You're on camera."
MineralMan
May 2019
#71
When I first started doing message boards the word spelled out that I use all the
Eliot Rosewater
May 2019
#50
Trump voters are hopeless. They worship Trump like he's their God, and
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2019
#13
Oh, but we can't let a few pesky FACTS get in the way of our OPINIONS, can we?
groundloop
May 2019
#15
I'm so happy relieved to see him imploding at a much faster rate than I though
lunamagica
May 2019
#29
UNCONTROLLED immigration, he's right. Look at Europe & see their programs getting cut due to it.
oldsoftie
May 2019
#41
No one is talking about uncontrolled immigration but the GOP misrepresenting Democrats' positions.
ehrnst
May 2019
#45
It's always something...."there's a comma out of place, I can't vote for that!!"
George II
May 2019
#81
I don't know, but something is up. This morning he was complaining that his fundraising....
George II
May 2019
#84
Damn, smdh ... I need a video of this ... I just can't believe this Trump level sophistry.
uponit7771
May 2019
#93