Democratic Primaries

doompatrol39

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3. Or if they look closer at his record...

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue May 7, 2019, 10:11 AM

May 2019

...and decide that they'd rather someone who has led on some of the major issues of our time and specifically ones very close and important the core demographic members of our party rather than a nice guy who has had to "evolve" on some major issues when it's convenient.

Or they remember that putting a premium on bipartisanship and being nice and cordial to our "friends across the aisle" is part of what allowed the rise of Trumpism.

Or they remember that experienced, moderate centrism didn't win the election in 2016, but bold progressive vision did in 2008.

If discussion, debate, and analysis are allowed on a major scale within the party (and to a lesser degree on here) without people calling accurate quotes and voting records "smears", I don't think Joe is going to fare as well as he is now riding the wave of name recognition. Maybe I'm wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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The only way Joe Biden falters [View all] DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 OP

Presently more voters every day think Joe is that person. redstateblues May 2019 #1

Joe is that person! ananda May 2019 #4

MF45...LOL. Now that is funny. titaniumsalute May 2019 #22

Really?? Sugarcoated May 2019 #64

I hope Bernie doesn't get away with the kind of campaign comradebillyboy May 2019 #54

...or if Democratic primary voters decide it's time to reject not only Trump but Ron Green May 2019 #2

Racism, fear, ignorance and bigotry? TwilightZone May 2019 #8

That is an attack on Obama who did not such thing. Demsrule86 May 2019 #10

BullFeathers. Cha May 2019 #59

Or if they look closer at his record... doompatrol39 May 2019 #3

Maybe we are both wrong doom. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #7

Actually we did win in 2016. LakeArenal May 2019 #53

Sanders attacks aren't working. We need time win. Biden can win. Demsrule86 May 2019 #11

So our only options are the two old white guys? doompatrol39 May 2019 #20

No one older guy ...Biden. Demsrule86 May 2019 #43

You are the one who referenced Sanders doompatrol39 May 2019 #47

Good. calimary May 2019 #29

How far back DownriverDem May 2019 #14

And why exactly would Harris not make a great candidate on her own? doompatrol39 May 2019 #21

Thank you. Merlot May 2019 #23

In normal times, you are exactly right. The best thing Biden Funtatlaguy May 2019 #36

Anyone would be "a return to normalcy" after Trump. athena May 2019 #44

This is an excellent point. athena May 2019 #45

Total agreement. athena May 2019 #46

No offense, but sounds like a bunch of spin and half truths from Reddit and the twitterverse. emulatorloo May 2019 #37

So his voting record and speeches are spin and half truth? doompatrol39 May 2019 #48

Biden didn't generate enthusiasm in 2008. Biden's generating enthusiasm in 2019 though emulatorloo May 2019 #49

Biden also didn't generate enthusiasm in previous runs to 2008. doompatrol39 May 2019 #51

Your obsession about "past lack of enthusiasm" is still irrelevant. Please be positive and post emulatorloo May 2019 #63

I haven't decided on a candidate yet... doompatrol39 May 2019 #66

The "pundits" are showing off Cha May 2019 #60

High expectations for Biden may hurt him. marylandblue May 2019 #65

I think more specifically with regard to the debates... doompatrol39 May 2019 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter May 2019 #52

Or he turns out to not mobilize voters... HopeAgain May 2019 #5

kerry won the primary in a walk dsc May 2019 #6

Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #9

Your hypothesis is a tautology. Demit May 2019 #35

Kerry was so close to winning and lost in Ohio...maybe stolen. Demsrule86 May 2019 #12

Yep. Thank you Kenneth Blackwell. calimary May 2019 #32

Blackwell piece of crap. Demsrule86 May 2019 #42

Unfortunately many people found Kerry a bit droll, Biden has a lot more charisma than Kerry. George II May 2019 #19

Kerry was doing well until swiftboating NYMinute May 2019 #24

That is a VERY good point, NYMinute. calimary May 2019 #33

Biden has charisma emulatorloo May 2019 #38

Of course, I remember John Kerry.. Cha May 2019 #61

I think we're underplaying that aspect somewhat. TwilightZone May 2019 #13

Or the media turns on him. uawchild May 2019 #15

If the media turns on him and it works then he will not be seen as the most electable Democrat... DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #16

I am being a bit more specific uawchild May 2019 #17

There were many other entities that were working to deny Hillary the WH than media. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #26

The media including CNN and the New York Times were complicit. comradebillyboy May 2019 #56

I'm aware, but I will not demonize mainstream journalism in general. ehrnst May 2019 #57

There is indeed plenty of blame to go around. comradebillyboy May 2019 #58

He won't have to deal with the misogyny that Hillary had to deal with. StevieM May 2019 #31

It's unbelievable (in a GOOD way!) that in a field of more than 20 others he's approaching... George II May 2019 #18

my hopes for biden- mopinko May 2019 #25

I bet he and Warren team up evertually. emulatorloo May 2019 #39

I've seen posts that will Cha May 2019 #62

A black swan event no one wants to see like a stroke. crazytown May 2019 #27

Well DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #28

It'm responding (in a pedantic way) crazytown May 2019 #30

Which could happen to any candidate. highplainsdem May 2019 #40

Indeed. I'm just sick of know-it-all DU pundits trying crazytown May 2019 #41

Definitely. Which is why you are one of my role models these days emulatorloo May 2019 #50

The only way he falters is by self-inflicted wounds. Sneederbunk May 2019 #34

Democratic primary voters have lots of time to make up their minds Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #55

Why the hell is Biden even running now? Blue_Tires May 2019 #68