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madaboutharry

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3. You can't claim to be pro choice while denying

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:45 AM

Jun 2019

access to abortion to those who can't afford it. The women that the Hyde Amendment impacts most are women of color and the poor. It creates a class system of access.

Biden may be personally conflicted. But he is wrong. Any person who seeks to be the President of The United States must be able to put their personal beliefs on choice aside and serve all women by guaranteeing every woman her right under The Constitution. Denying funds for this particular medical procedure denies millions of women their Constitutional right.

Biden needs to show the courage to make this issue bigger than himself.

I think that Joe Biden is a fine man. I think he would make a great president. But I am sure that I am not alone in finding his position on the Hyde Amendment very alienating.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I'm glad Biden is standing up for what he believes -- it shows strength [View all] Vidal Jun 2019 OP

Standing up for what is wrong shows strength? LOL mtnsnake Jun 2019 #1

I have replied to you because I thought the same exact thing Perseus Jun 2019 #21

I doubt DownriverDem Jun 2019 #40

EXACTLY! Chump cultists use this logic every single day. bullwinkle428 Jun 2019 #29

It's not wrong to him treestar Jun 2019 #72

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I am sorry Joe but times have changed, you will not be seen as honorable but as another draconian katmondoo Jun 2019 #2

By you. Not by Biden supporters. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #78

wow samnsara Jun 2019 #88

By you BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #93

You can't claim to be pro choice while denying madaboutharry Jun 2019 #3

It was the tone of the times. DownriverDem Jun 2019 #43

On June 5, 2019 Biden reasserted his commitment to the Hyde Amendment. madaboutharry Jun 2019 #53

didnt know that. He put his religious beliefs above public service AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #57

He's not guilty of putting his religious beliefs above public service treestar Jun 2019 #73

You probably also do not know Catholic church leaders denounced Biden for his emmaverybo Jun 2019 #98

Biden Needs To Put Down The Bible DallasNE Jun 2019 #71

i am pretty sure he has already samnsara Jun 2019 #126

Shows he's out of step too shanny Jun 2019 #4

"They are our future, Biden is our past." Perseus Jun 2019 #23

Thank you. shanny Jun 2019 #26

And Biden represents DownriverDem Jun 2019 #44

Many Republicans want to beat Trump Vidal Jun 2019 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #109

That "quote of the day" is an old chestnut LakeArenal Jun 2019 #80

Nope. This is probably a deal breaker for me. Iris Jun 2019 #5

this one issue voting is what drives the trumpers to the polls too.... samnsara Jun 2019 #129

If you think a stance on wolves and a woman's right to make her own decisions about her health and Iris Jun 2019 #136

So his position is...? rgbecker Jun 2019 #6

none of this has to do with him being catholic and it's the shittiest excuse JI7 Jun 2019 #7

Funny how people think they are always right Vidal Jun 2019 #8

there is nothing right about making policy based on religious beliefs JI7 Jun 2019 #11

Fucking nailed it... SidDithers Jun 2019 #67

THANK YOU. Nay Jun 2019 #84

This exactly NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #115

Just like you do? Nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #20

Fuck that noise. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #22

I agree with you - he has his own convictions, which is his right to have. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #9

If you believe that you should praise the buffon and Stephen Miller for seperating families Perseus Jun 2019 #27

He does. shanny Jun 2019 #28

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #110

If you think the Violence Against Women Act was wrong yardwork Jun 2019 #112

One can claim any contravening position shows strength...not so sure, but, HONESTY yes, that's true. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #10

It is disqualifyingly wrong, but indeed he is welcome to continue to blow up his candidacy. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #12

Current or past? zipplewrath Jun 2019 #13

His climate policy based on Arch Coal and Shell? Maggiemayhem Jun 2019 #58

"Believing in Hyde" is a garbage value. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #14

Being steadfastly wrong is not right. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #15

+1 dalton99a Jun 2019 #25

Did you feel that way about Dubya with Iraq? He held his convictions. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #16

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #111

It's time that someone stood up to poor women and said "no!" jberryhill Jun 2019 #17

Strong? It's a popular position he holds. It is popular among RepubliCONS and Farmer-Rick Jun 2019 #18

Bullshit. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #19

This. nt Laffy Kat Jun 2019 #81

If he's advocating the middle ground in the primary, will he move to the RIGHT in the general? dalton99a Jun 2019 #24

Very good, and disturbing, point. nt shanny Jun 2019 #30

Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, H.R. 3355 Locrian Jun 2019 #31

After reading all the posts, if the original post was meant to sway people towards Biden? Perseus Jun 2019 #32

Fuck that. If Sanders had that position, he'd be crucified here. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2019 #33

That's fine, but then he lives and dies by his own policies, abilities, and character marylandblue Jun 2019 #34

"I'm glad Biden stands up for a policy that hurts poor people and, disproportionately, BIPOC. It WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #35

No. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #36

And that will make it all better? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #45

Yes, it would. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #50

by the way - UNREC. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #37

His position on the Hyde Amendment has shifted Biden to a "hold your nose and vote for him" Tarc Jun 2019 #38

Funny. That's the way I feel about Harris. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #82

I wish you luck with your anti-choice candidate Tarc Jun 2019 #107

I wish you luck with your political opportunist. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #131

Pray tell, why do you think Senator Harris is a political opportunist? n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #132

This is my last statement to you on this old thread. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #134

He recently said he's against marijuana legalization because it's "a gateway drug." Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #39

My take on this thread is full speed ahead and damn the torpedos seems to be the theme. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #41

How is pointing out policy positions "vitriol"? (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2019 #119

The use of anger in any "discussion" creates problems, does not solve them. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #121

My thanks to all of you commenters The Blue Flower Jun 2019 #42

That plus the "marijuana is a gateway drug" belief are deal breakers for me, too. nt Nay Jun 2019 #89

Convictions can also be hypocritical sop Jun 2019 #47

He is also smart LibFarmer Jun 2019 #48

"Scared of the leftward lurch"?? Really? In what universe? A simple overview of what Nay Jun 2019 #90

Saddled with? LibFarmer Jun 2019 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #114

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He is not doing it because of religious convictions LibFarmer Jun 2019 #49

Not sure which one is worse. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #51

Biden is running for POTUS LibFarmer Jun 2019 #52

"Would women make this small concession in order to protect Roe's sweeping liberties vis a vis a WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #54

Right to public funding of abortions? treestar Jun 2019 #75

Respectfully Libfarmer, it isn't good politics. Telling poor women on Medicaid who have a severe still_one Jun 2019 #56

I agree with you LibFarmer Jun 2019 #68

More than just birth defects, but I don't want debate various reasons, just saying there are other still_one Jun 2019 #83

Joe will probably have a presser LibFarmer Jun 2019 #94

I hope so still_one Jun 2019 #100

"However, how many such cases are there?" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #86

Show me statistics of deaths caused by Hyde. nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #95

Here's the deal. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #96

Anecdotal LibFarmer Jun 2019 #97

. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #99

Is that actually true? treestar Jun 2019 #76

The exceptions are rape, incest and life of the pregnant person. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #85

Don't know, but the exclusions they state are rape, incest, and life of the mother still_one Jun 2019 #91

+1 treestar Jun 2019 #74

Discrimination against poor women is not a strength. Admitting and recognizing you are wrong about still_one Jun 2019 #55

" standing up for what he believes" amuse bouche Jun 2019 #59

Joe, We Are A Secular Nation DallasNE Jun 2019 #103

Yeah, it's really strong for a man to stand up against the uteri of American women and girls Indygram Jun 2019 #60

I stopped posting here when I began to see the "Biden can touch any woman any way he wants!" posts Squinch Jun 2019 #61

+1. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #62

I don't care if he grew up a strict Catholic... SidDithers Jun 2019 #63

I was raised catholic but i think the abortion decision should be subjective, as Biden onetexan Jun 2019 #64

I was raised a Catholic, received a couple of degrees from a Jesuit university, sop Jun 2019 #79

Glad to know another Jesuit school alumnus is here onetexan Jun 2019 #106

No it doesn't obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #65

I disagree...I think it was just political calculus CanonRay Jun 2019 #66

I'm glad Mike Pence (the "decent guy") stands up for his beliefs too. BluesRunTheGame Jun 2019 #69

The Hyde Amendments Discriminates Against Poor Women, Women of Color, and Young Women and Girls dlk Jun 2019 #70

If supporters of the Hyde amendment showed that they are concerned about the Hyde Politicub Jun 2019 #77

its OK for a persons personal belief to be different than their policy..it shows they are for.. samnsara Jun 2019 #87

I don't respect his position loyalsister Jun 2019 #101

Biden agrees with you Vidal Jun 2019 #102

And yet Hyde defines which women should and should not have ready access to abortion loyalsister Jun 2019 #104

This is quite possibly the worst argument in support of Biden I have even seen on here. Celerity Jun 2019 #105

roflmaooooooo BAZINGA Celerity Jun 2019 #116

LOL, maybe self delete! nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #117

it probably won't happen Celerity Jun 2019 #122

Um. cwydro Jun 2019 #118

Yeah. Now the statement would have to be that changing his mind shows weakness, presumably. JudyM Jun 2019 #120

Lol. cwydro Jun 2019 #123

This thread didn't age well. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #124

Hey, Vidal, now that Biden doesn't stand up for what he believes, what say you now? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #125

I say he caved Vidal Jun 2019 #127

which was probably a smart move Vidal Jun 2019 #128

He can't say anything anymore (flagged for review). n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #133

In 1974 or so, I made my first efforts for gay rights Jarqui Jun 2019 #130

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #135