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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. Is that an order?
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:53 AM
Jun 2019

What one considers valid criticism, another considers "trashing."

I think it's valid to voice criticism over what is an unusual move by Biden. Changing in a few days the 40-year-stance about something, when he's in a Presidential race and finds out his stance would cost him votes among the base.

It's not that it's Biden. It's that a candidate actually did that. I've been around for a while and never seen such an obvious move before. Such a thing is going to be noticed and commented on and criticized or praised.

As for me, I take what politicians say with a grain of salt, when they're in the throes of a tough election process and trying to get support, votes, and donations. They're politicians. Their job is first and foremost to get votes. Without that, they're not in the game. Just look at the general thrust of their beliefs and stances overall, is what I do. Even if they state a firm stance on something, I know there may come a time when he finds an exception to it.

Example: While campaigning, Obama voiced a stance on attacking high drug prices. He attacked directly the provision in Medicare Part D that prohibits the federal govt from even negotiating drug prices. After Part D was passed, one of the sponsors of that provision/Part D quit Congress and went to work as a lobbyist for Big Pharma at a cushy salary. After getting elected, Obama ended up cutting a deal with that Senator, according to Huffington Post, that Pharma would cut $80B in costs on its own, and contribute $150M in tv ads that supported the ACA, in return for protecting the industry from Congressional efforts to cut drug prices. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANRStP_v9Fz9uDBrXKgM8XKMwwMYYDpvE1W3kNo7LtO9G0J4ic4T_jU5YcUYmHD5J-lkwgW40r6oSQoTYmwY4Qjza16MN4Jtfj8a9FP_ZWt5GKrWxAFIBUl6NxjtNACUqWG7l65EcHW2SUymgWGP6i1ygRgI7J-uu0DLHfZyY2Ol

I don't give that example as a criticism of Obama. I loved Obama and think he was one of the best Presidents America has ever had. But I use it to show that you can't hinge your approval of a candidate on a voiced position on one particular issue. Just a general direction. He wanted, generally, prices to go down, and he got some sort of promise from the industry to do that. He did not go after that provision that he railed against during his campaign. That's politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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You are correct watoos Jun 2019 #1
I agree! I hoped Joe WOULD flip-flop & withdraw his support for the Hyde Amendment...I'm glad he did InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #31
Why? Because you're "glad Biden is standing up for what he believes" ?? mtnsnake Jun 2019 #2
Keep rubbing it in Vidal Jun 2019 #6
Jekyll and Hyde :) mtnsnake Jun 2019 #11
Biden won't allow this issue to mess up his winning 2020 campaign. democratisphere Jun 2019 #30
It is but let the dogs bark. ucrdem Jun 2019 #3
Thank Goodness Biden listened! Cha Jun 2019 #9
You did a good deed Cha! ucrdem Jun 2019 #12
I was part of the Cha Jun 2019 #14
"Dogs" fighting over the scraps they dig up. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #29
i agree... i was actually planning on donating to all the candidates...except those.. samnsara Jun 2019 #4
Great point Vidal Jun 2019 #7
Criticizing is not "trashing" Boomer Jun 2019 #5
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #8
Prove to us all BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #13
Disgusting RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #16
Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #19
See why you're name is Boomer... BOOOOOOOOMMM!! Nailed it again!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #32
What about Anita? erlewyne Jun 2019 #10
Not a good thing... but, prolly not a "deal breaker" either. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #33
How many times should he apologize to her? BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #46
He hasn't yet. erlewyne Jun 2019 #47
Yes, he has. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #48
Trump said he was exonerated erlewyne Jun 2019 #59
One of them is correct. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #60
Nice Biden-type answer erlewyne Jun 2019 #61
Call it whatever you want. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #62
You know Butterflylady Jun 2019 #51
Because it was never a Biden vs. Hill matter at the time. All of this, including her anger, is a emmaverybo Jun 2019 #55
She was a typical victim erlewyne Jun 2019 #63
you pretty much are inviting people to trash him with these threads you keep making JI7 Jun 2019 #15
I think they are finished now RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #18
That valid concern never stopped anyone from posting threads that invited people to trash Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #34
Time to stop ignoring other candidates over the false assumption that Biden is the "safe" bet Indygram Jun 2019 #17
Well said. shanny Jun 2019 #21
+1 Celerity Jun 2019 #22
Right on the money Indy... as usual!! But, you still have to give Joe credit... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #35
Yes, I'm glad he reversed course. I'm just unimpressed and disappointed that he didn't know better Indygram Jun 2019 #38
I hear ya... feel the exact same way. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #39
*cough* Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #20
He was pretty obvious. n/t demmiblue Jun 2019 #27
Yup! Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #28
you are correct quickesst Jun 2019 #23
Time to stop trashing Biden PERIOD. LibFarmer Jun 2019 #24
Am I to understand that any criticism is unacceptable? brooklynite Jun 2019 #25
Apparently... Joe's political advisors need to be replaced with new ones as soon as possible InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #40
No harm in clarifying a position LibFarmer Jun 2019 #42
Agreed, Biden's a known quantity...progressive tho? Somewhat, but certainly not THE most progressive InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #36
That is the most progressive that is electable LibFarmer Jun 2019 #43
I don't agree, but, can see why one might think that. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #45
Self-inflicted wound shanny Jun 2019 #26
The responsibility clearly lies with the candidate... I expect Biden has learned from this mistake InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #37
It is a minor scratch - it will be gone in 2 days LibFarmer Jun 2019 #44
I can't resist. shanny Jun 2019 #49
Biden is notorious for sinking his own campaigns. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #54
Is that an order? Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #41
I think that poster has left the building lol. cwydro Jun 2019 #57
LOL! nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #58
There's a difference between personal assessments and bashing loyalsister Jun 2019 #50
Why? dchill Jun 2019 #52
agreed Gothmog Jun 2019 #53
Yep Hekate Jun 2019 #56
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