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hlthe2b

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157. It was unfocused anger that did not allow the audience to understand the issue, her point and

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:26 PM

Jun 2019

thus left Biden with little to respond given it sounds like his record was not accurately portrayed.

Love love love Kamala, but that was really not good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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*********Number #2 Debate Thread ********* [View all] a kennedy Jun 2019 OP

Marianne Williams??? a kennedy Jun 2019 #1

She'd Be a good advisor AnnieBW Jun 2019 #3

my understanding is that she barbtries Jun 2019 #10

A solid answer superpatriotman Jun 2019 #5

I don't know anything about her but I liked her response on healthcare and how it has to do with TalenaGor Jun 2019 #6

Never heard of her, will have to google her. Bluepinky Jun 2019 #9

She's a wacky anti-vaccine new ager ValidateThis Jun 2019 #74

Exactly n/t Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #148

She just said customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #156

I do like how she looks at the other candidates..... a kennedy Jun 2019 #2

and Gillibrand?? a kennedy Jun 2019 #4

in deed, Gillibrand was nauseating onetexan Jun 2019 #196

Yup, this panel is getting out of hand real quick....... a kennedy Jun 2019 #7

They need to cut their mics when they interrupt. Arkansas Granny Jun 2019 #18

Agreed MustLoveBeagles Jun 2019 #23

I abandoned my first thread. Hopefully others will too. nolabear Jun 2019 #8

Biden's looking good tonight. Relaxed, fit, and looking younger than his actual age. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #11

Has Bernie told Biden to get off his lawn yet? nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #37

He can afford caps or maybe even implants. pangaia Jun 2019 #53

Good to know! I'm not watching Cha Jun 2019 #54

Yes, he does. Irishxs Jun 2019 #155

Why is Savannah feeding into trump's narrative (insurance for undocumented)? ecstatic Jun 2019 #12

Kamala again: WONDERFUL! hlthe2b Jun 2019 #13

She just stepped in it by promoting bussing. No one supports bussing...and she was rude Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #118

Yes..huge fail. Blew her VP chance too. Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #181

I wouldn't pick her now. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #212

Not sure he ever would have anyone. Not smart to go Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #223

That is a good point. I also don't see how someone from California helps the ticket..maybe the south Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #224

Kamala excellent job treestar Jun 2019 #14

Her second moment of the night! Politicub Jun 2019 #17

She started out well but she hasnt done well as this continued. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #132

I have to give Kamala serious props. She's doing great. nolabear Jun 2019 #15

Kamala's brilliant -- passionate and logical. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #16

Kamala, Mayor Pete, Biden madaboutharry Jun 2019 #19

I've been saying that about Williamson since the SC Planned Parenthood forum Politicub Jun 2019 #46

Minor gaffe. Kids in cages have to be released first. ecstatic Jun 2019 #20

Yes. Go back to Obama system. treestar Jun 2019 #25

Kudos to Williamson for her critique of Trump's treatment of children at the border. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #21

That's where her passion can readily shine through hlthe2b Jun 2019 #22

+1 Politicub Jun 2019 #29

Gillibrand is pretty unlikeable. kwassa Jun 2019 #24

Since Day One. nolabear Jun 2019 #28

Smart enough, just not coming across as friendly in my humble opinion. a kennedy Jun 2019 #35

She is my senator.. embarrassing... pangaia Jun 2019 #60

Mine too...not a fan. Zoonart Jun 2019 #202

Something about her voice is nails on a chalkboard to me Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #67

Gillibrand - great connecting detaining children to funding private prison Politicub Jun 2019 #26

That's one of the main rasons for locking up children $ for DeVos and her ilk. pangaia Jun 2019 #65

Unbelievably good call out of religious hypcrisy and immigration/Trump by Buttigieg hlthe2b Jun 2019 #27

It was! nolabear Jun 2019 #32

Now Buttigieg is going after tariffs. YEAH! hlthe2b Jun 2019 #66

He's doing a great job! 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #33

Yes that was excellent! Owl Jun 2019 #42

Bravo, Mayor Pete, for taking on religious hypocrisy of the GOP highplainsdem Jun 2019 #30

"raise your hand" is getting old ucrdem Jun 2019 #31

I agree. It's useless. Politicub Jun 2019 #36

They only criminalized illegal entry treestar Jun 2019 #34

Joe is warming up to the new twitter format ucrdem Jun 2019 #38

So far Harris is the clear winner. aaaaaa5a Jun 2019 #39

and watch the babbling heads after this is over......oh no one went after Biden or Biden..... a kennedy Jun 2019 #48

Gaffe of moderator treestar Jun 2019 #40

Exactly. nt ecstatic Jun 2019 #50

I think Biden is doing well Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #41

Good to know.. thanks, Bradshaw. Cha Jun 2019 #62

I agree. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #68

Who is that answering questions in the background?? a kennedy Jun 2019 #43

Did Bernie just say "sexual America"? ucrdem Jun 2019 #44

LOL! "Central America" highplainsdem Jun 2019 #49

+1 dalton99a Jun 2019 #61

Listen we gotta do what we gotta do to bring the country together now. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #220

Hi, all!!! TruckFump Jun 2019 #45

... nolabear Jun 2019 #47

....... a kennedy Jun 2019 #56

LOL!!! TruckFump Jun 2019 #57

Warren-Harris-Biden-Sanders-Buddigieg-that'll be a debate! nolabear Jun 2019 #51

Yes! Would love to see that. Politicub Jun 2019 #58

Harris is kicking ass! aaaaaa5a Jun 2019 #52

Harris, Buttigieg, Biden only ones doing well, Williamson, surprisingly is not bad Celerity Jun 2019 #55

She shows emotional intelligence. But she can offer no plans/detail because she has no experience. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #71

Re: Biggest threat to U.S. Bennett agrees with De Blasio RUSSIA, & got huge applause. elleng Jun 2019 #59

I thought kamala was unfair to President Obama...he did what he could Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #63

Agreed. People here illegally are committing aaaaaa5a Jun 2019 #69

It should be civil only treestar Jun 2019 #75

It isnt. Biden gave a good answer...prevention... is the key. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #151

Yang is just totally out of his league on this stage. EOM TruckFump Jun 2019 #64

We have 2 people on stage that don't belong. aaaaaa5a Jun 2019 #72

and I saw him on Stephen Colbert and thought he was a great guest....... a kennedy Jun 2019 #77

Cause he's not yelling over others?!? DaDeacon Jun 2019 #86

Just does not convey his message well. TruckFump Jun 2019 #90

I'v been very impressed by Yang when interviewed Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #113

Yang is a smart dude calguy Jun 2019 #166

I agree with you. TruckFump Jun 2019 #173

The debate tonight is far, far better than last night. TruckFump Jun 2019 #70

I'm encouraged that the candidates are mostly going after Trump and not each other Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #73

+1 treestar Jun 2019 #79

Give Bernie time, he looks like he is going to snap and maybe Biden takes his bait Celerity Jun 2019 #89

Biden is being downsized tonight IMO BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #76

agreed kwassa Jun 2019 #80

Biden is playing for a draw. He has the lead. aaaaaa5a Jun 2019 #82

Prevent defense prevents you from winning. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #171

Totally agree. TruckFump Jun 2019 #95

I dont agree...the people being rude and interrupting look small. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #152

Exactly. R B Garr Jun 2019 #159

Biden did fine...they needed more to break free from low polls and didnt get it. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #165

Is it just me or is there more fillabustering tonight? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 #78

Oh, and crap, the toad with Rachel is on now. a kennedy Jun 2019 #81

Chuck Todd starts with a stupid joke. aaaaaa5a Jun 2019 #84

Chucky Todd is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 #83

Harris & Buttigieg are crushing it lanlady Jun 2019 #85

I'm really liking Buttigeig. Kamala relies too much on emotionalism. It feels contrived. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #87

More Spirited For Sure colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #88

Holy crap a kennedy Jun 2019 #91

"I would like to speak on the issue of race!" tishaLA Jun 2019 #92

Rachel takes 30 seconds to say you have 30 seconds BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #93

This is *the* question for Buttigieg tonight - about Eric Jack Logan Politicub Jun 2019 #94

This! defacto7 Jun 2019 #190

Pete's take down of GOP 'Christianity' crazytown Jun 2019 #96

I hate to say this, but "Amen, Pete!" TruckFump Jun 2019 #97

GREAT moment from him. bullwinkle428 Jun 2019 #101

Kamala's going for the jugular now. ecstatic Jun 2019 #98

Could be a dangerous move... TruckFump Jun 2019 #103

When you come at the king, you best not miss Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #112

It was her lowest point of the night. defacto7 Jun 2019 #193

Biden should not be defensive here BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #99

Harris... WOW! aaaaaa5a Jun 2019 #100

That is not good....... a kennedy Jun 2019 #102

Yeah, I don't like this. TruckFump Jun 2019 #106

I agree. elleng Jun 2019 #107

She seems angry. She has a right to it, but it may not play well. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #122

I agree with rhat. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #167

Her low point for the night. defacto7 Jun 2019 #194

THIS IS NOT GOOD a kennedy Jun 2019 #104

Kamala tries to nail Joe on bussing. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #105

The audience largely has no clue what the precise issue is. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #109

Right. Sad. elleng Jun 2019 #114

Agreed. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #125

Not to mention bussing to achieve integration BECAME controversial over time... hlthe2b Jun 2019 #133

and didn't allow him to explain his decision. elleng Jun 2019 #111

I found her almost unlikeable during this exchange...and an example of how issues in a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #142

This exchange is good for both Harris and Biden tishaLA Jun 2019 #108

Harris and Biden have managed to make Bernie sound calmer BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #110

Kamala was killing it. Why did she go there? Bad move. Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #117

I think she overreached BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #130

Because Sunsky Jun 2019 #134

That was my reaction too. Nt spooky3 Jun 2019 #138

And that's a tough task! Raven123 Jun 2019 #119

LOL. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #127

Sorry, but Biden's defense of his opposition to bussing was total baloney Goodheart Jun 2019 #115

Only point Harris made was she wouldn't/couldn't let him explain what appears to have been a legal/ elleng Jun 2019 #121

Oh, but he DID explain. Goodheart Jun 2019 #136

Read through this subthread. Posters neither understand her position or his. That's why it was so hlthe2b Jun 2019 #146

Bad exchange...certainly backfired. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #153

Harris was right. Blue_true Jun 2019 #192

No she wasn't ...and way more important issues. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #210

Thanks elleng Jun 2019 #182

You have to have lived partly in segregation to really understand Blue_true Jun 2019 #187

Yes, in a real sense, he was virulently opposed to busing. Blue_true Jun 2019 #184

He supported the court-ordered bussing. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #191

Then why did he work with segregationists to fight it? Blue_true Jun 2019 #198

It was disagreements with aspects of the legislation that was proposed at the time. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #199

Every segregationist also had "differences" with the legistlation. Blue_true Jun 2019 #204

Well, he'll have to address it. I was in the heart of the South then so I'm not unaware of the hlthe2b Jun 2019 #206

I was raised in a diverse neighborhood also. Blue_true Jun 2019 #208

What Harris failed to do was pin Joe down on how much bussing Blue_true Jun 2019 #180

He had a chance to show some empathy for Harris. He didn't. Politicub Jun 2019 #123

She misrepresented his position. It is hard to show empathy when one knows you have seconds hlthe2b Jun 2019 #140

Biden's approach may have been the right one Politicub Jun 2019 #164

He was never given the chance. That's the problem with ambushes. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #170

I dont see it that way....and she seemed rather calculating to me. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #154

I think Kamala won that one. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #137

She was angry about being bussed! hlthe2b Jun 2019 #141

She wasn't angry about being bussed. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #175

She kept exclaiming that "I was that little girl. I was bussed!" hlthe2b Jun 2019 #178

Well, here's the thing. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #183

She didn't get her point across in this dust-up; So, I doubt the audience will hold an inexplicable hlthe2b Jun 2019 #185

It didn't seem unfair unless.. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #188

It happened 45 years ago. Fewer than 10% of the audience would have understood it and even less hlthe2b Jun 2019 #189

It would be perceived as "fair" if you didn't know Biden's full record which was not anti-bussing. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #195

I don't. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #160

We'll see won't we. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #172

I predict Harris will not get much of a bump in the polls...if any. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #213

I agree. I am a baby boomer. I was in segregated schools for a short time. Blue_true Jun 2019 #200

I'm not sure... cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #205

He is right. Busing was a failure. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #144

Not in my county. It was very successful. Kids ended up with shorter rides. Blue_true Jun 2019 #207

I dont agree and running in busing in the 22st century is just silly. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #209

In my area kids were bussed MORE to maintain segregated schools. Blue_true Jun 2019 #214

It is yesterdays issue...schools in the north remained segregated for the most part. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #218

When my southern county finally integrated schools, it did so in a model way. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #221

Yes that was a crummy answer. Blue_true Jun 2019 #174

Biden is arguing for municipal rights as opposed to state rights femmedem Jun 2019 #116

Yeah, that was not good. TruckFump Jun 2019 #120

I like it. And if you think busing is a good issue to run on...well you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #149

Bussing wasn't the issue. cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #186

Buding was the issue... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #211

It was NOT the issue. Where I went to school, kids in integrated schools got bussed LESS Blue_true Jun 2019 #217

In my county, kids were bussed more to maintain segregation. Blue_true Jun 2019 #216

It would be better if he just came out and said that his view then was wrong Blue_true Jun 2019 #215

Yes, that's what I had assumed was the case. femmedem Jun 2019 #222

He is out of mulligans. When his supporters have to rush forward to undo his mistakes, that Blue_true Jun 2019 #225

I'm calling that one for Bennett BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #124

I like Bennett. Wish he would have entered the race sooner. Raven123 Jun 2019 #126

Harris tossed a Hail Mary to get attention Jersey Devil Jun 2019 #128

Disagree. That was a big moment for her. Eom tarheelsunc Jun 2019 #135

It was a desperation move Jersey Devil Jun 2019 #145

spot on. K&R onetexan Jun 2019 #203

It was unfocused anger that did not allow the audience to understand the issue, her point and hlthe2b Jun 2019 #157

She did and failed in my opinion. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #162

Bennet is nailing Biden on the Sequester AnnieBW Jun 2019 #129

Again unfair...not a good look to attack our last Democratic president. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #163

Gillibrand talking about corruption in Washington? Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #131

Another failed rhetorical pivot by Gillibrand BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #139

Wouldn't it be fantastic if, just as they were about to cut to a commercial break, True Dough Jun 2019 #143

LOL! nt spooky3 Jun 2019 #147

That would be glorrre-y-us! BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #150

Why is this Williamson person on my tv? BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #158

Because Oprah had her on her TV first. n/t customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #168

I think she's doing well. She actually had some good things to say. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #176

Two words!! 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #161

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2019 #169

Buttigieg's final statement... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #177

Joe's close was stellar! flamingdem Jun 2019 #179

+1 K&R onetexan Jun 2019 #197

I thought so too. He can beat Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #219

Overall I reaffirm my admiration for Buttigieg. defacto7 Jun 2019 #201