Democratic Primaries

Pachamama

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86. Zero-Sum....perfect summary of it...

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:01 AM

Jun 2019

Your description of the threads on your Facebook are interesting to me to hear - and not surprising.

I have a personal perspective in this situation: I went to school with Biden's son Beau and knew Beau well and have met Joe Biden on at least a dozen occasions through my knowing his son, his association with Penn and now the Beau Biden Foundation. I have the utmost respect for him and think he scares the shit out of Trump. I also have known Kamala for over 25 years through the same social circles in the Bay Area, not even politics and think she is great. I have thought the two of them were the winning team. I think that whoever advised her to do what she did last night (or if it was she herself who thought up that plan) that she made a huge mistake. I think if it harms, it will harm her - not Biden.

And because I have had her as my first choice, I am really sad and disappointed because I see it as backfiring and being a loss for her ultimately.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Dan Rather on Harris going after Biden: "Did she win new fans or turn people off?" [View all] highplainsdem Jun 2019 OP

depends on whether you think busing was an effective overall strategy at the time and msongs Jun 2019 #1

Both, probably. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #2

bingo. She got way too emotional over the whole thing and seemed to lose her composure at that point onetexan Jun 2019 #13

Agree Green Line Jun 2019 #23

Emotion isn't a bad thing. Obama got teary eyed a couple of times. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #24

has nothing to do with a woman. Her emotional outburst directed towards Joe was just wrong since onetexan Jun 2019 #32

Oh, that. I thought you were referring to emotion...like when she got a tad emotional Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #35

exactly. She apparently didn't know of Joe's records on civil rights onetexan Jun 2019 #41

So saw busing as a Black child. Blue_true Jun 2019 #39

Yes, working with the worst types to defend the separate but unequal doctrine. Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #82

Probably Both - but my feeling is it will backfire on Harris and turn many off...it did for me... Pachamama Jun 2019 #54

+1 Fight racists and racism, Kamala, not civil rights supporters. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #56

I praise your thoughtful response . I completely agree with you. Kamala lost out, longterm. As a Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #73

one of my dream tickets, Biden / Harris, probably died last night. n/t lapfog_1 Jun 2019 #77

I have believed since the beginning that or Harris/Biden was the dream ticket and a winning one Pachamama Jun 2019 #80

Yes, it's gone. n/t customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #114

Deeply appreciate your thoughtful post and agree with you on all points. MFGsunny Jun 2019 #79

This line of attack is WRONG. If it were valid then I'd say have at it. She said he 'coddled' and UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #3

She was wrong and when she said "coddled" and "praised" I cringed.... Pachamama Jun 2019 #53

Turned me off question everything Jun 2019 #4

She sort of had a point about wanting to answer the question about race. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #42

Probably both; she didn't get points from me. elleng Jun 2019 #5

Both Harris and Biden made their case tonight.... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #6

Biden missed the opportunity to show empathy. Instead, he argued for states rights. Politicub Jun 2019 #7

I agree nt Sunsky Jun 2019 #11

This is the real takeaway Lordquinton Jun 2019 #50

Turned me off nt Raine Jun 2019 #8

Turned me off. Biden stood his ground well. cbelle1039 Jun 2019 #9

I don't remember Obama whining about how badly he was treated in his youth because of his color. katmondoo Jun 2019 #10

If you know how "unfair their lives have been" is it really whining? Agschmid Jun 2019 #22

Well, at least threads like this one.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #101

Because candidates don't talk about the problems of white people enough? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #58

Who went after him on racism? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #65

No, it doesn't EffieBlack Jun 2019 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #68

So, you think all the DUers who have criticized busing are racists? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #89

No, just asking you to define the terms that you applied EffieBlack Jun 2019 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jun 2019 #91

I was an admirer True Blue American Jun 2019 #83

She said he coddled segregationists and their reputations. Really? Do you UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #110

She overdid it. Nobody's perfect, though. IluvPitties Jun 2019 #12

No way to tell how these things really impact the final outcome. I'm a big fan of Joe... LincolnRossiter Jun 2019 #30

Yep. nt mdelaguna Jun 2019 #78

I think when she said "that was hurtful to me" is where it went off the rails. ucrdem Jun 2019 #14

Last week, it was all about how Joe Biden is so real. He's so unfiltered. He speaks Politicub Jun 2019 #18

For one thing, I don't believe she was hurt by Biden's comments ucrdem Jun 2019 #26

It seemed contrived to me. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #43

i was rooting for her until she tried to Cha Jun 2019 #15

She said "I know you're not a racist." Politicub Jun 2019 #19

Well, that was big of her.. as she disingenuously Cha Jun 2019 #31

It's Like saying when did you stop beating your wife Joe? still_one Jun 2019 #47

No. It's like saying "I know you're not a racist, but I found your comments hurtful" EffieBlack Jun 2019 #55

Agreed. GreenPartyVoter Jun 2019 #94

I disagree with you Effie. My Senator Harris is a very savey person, and knew exactly what she was still_one Jun 2019 #95

I don't agree, but even if you are right, he needs to step up his game and deal with it EffieBlack Jun 2019 #96

I absolutely do not discount Senator Harris feelings, or African American feelings regarding what still_one Jun 2019 #97

Yes and the perfect place to address that 'hurt' is right there on the debate stage. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #109

" I know you're not a war-monger. You voted for the Iraq war. There was a young father of a baby. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #87

That was a turn-off. blue neen Jun 2019 #16

Chance of a Biden/Harris ticket just went way down... tinrobot Jun 2019 #17

Not at all. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #27

Yes! shanti Jun 2019 #112

I don't think so. EffieBlack Jun 2019 #57

No, these people are tough treestar Jun 2019 #76

Not necessarily peggysue2 Jun 2019 #98

I was pissed jcgoldie Jun 2019 #20

Harris pushed her point too far - seemed contrived unc70 Jun 2019 #21

It was a canned line, they posted her words and photo as a child on social media immediately. Agschmid Jun 2019 #25

I was planning to donate for the first time to Kamala after her strong start in the debate tonight.. W_HAMILTON Jun 2019 #28

I know.. I was rooting for her.. Cha Jun 2019 #38

Both. Miles Archer Jun 2019 #29

It will be interesting to see... Skid Rogue Jun 2019 #33

Typical elderly White man that likely went to only segregated schools. Blue_true Jun 2019 #34

I don't think Biden was "elderly" then. But he was white and still is. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #67

I was referring to Rather now. Blue_true Jun 2019 #99

Oh, ok. Did get a laugh out of my own misinterpretation. Sorry. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #100

Imagine Trump in place of Biden DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #36

Biden is not Trump. IluvPitties Jun 2019 #40

The point is, don't we want a candidate who will DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #45

She was technically correct, but she sort of turned me off. Goodheart Jun 2019 #37

she turned me off n/t chillfactor Jun 2019 #44

Both. I don't think the older African Americans who lived through the time period will be impressed. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #46

Wow.. Thanks for that detailed report from Cha Jun 2019 #63

Cringe-worthy is a good word for it... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #70

Pulling back with Tweety customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #115

Harris was in my top 3. She's now been replaced by Castro. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #49

Harris and Biden had been my top choices for a ticket. I am now re-thinking her. Pachamama Jun 2019 #51

My top three were Biden, Harris & Beto. She may have scored a few cheap political points tonight, Tarheel_Dem Jun 2019 #61

I was thinking of a Biden/Harris ticket too but.. scardycat Jun 2019 #52

"she blew up like that"? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #60

+1000 stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #69

I may be wrong... sacto95834 Jun 2019 #59

Turned me off RelativelyJones Jun 2019 #64

Turned me off definitely. Owl Jun 2019 #71

Zero-sum gain wyldwolf Jun 2019 #72

Zero-Sum....perfect summary of it... Pachamama Jun 2019 #86

Well said. I don't want to get ahead of things, But Biden/Harris is the perfect ticket wyldwolf Jun 2019 #93

Thanks for the post... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #106

The issue is so ancient treestar Jun 2019 #74

It felt too much like UpInArms Jun 2019 #75

biden's pass the torch response lapfog_1 Jun 2019 #81

Both Raven123 Jun 2019 #84

I like them both C_U_L8R Jun 2019 #88

I like them both, too EffieBlack Jun 2019 #92

See it from our view as Biden supporters. It saddens us Kamala came out throwing Joe under the bus onetexan Jun 2019 #103

Welp, according to a poll from fivethirtyeight, shanny Jun 2019 #102

She's a debater... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #104

Yep. shanny Jun 2019 #105

Wait until she goes after Sen. Warren customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #113

It's Called Debating.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #117

True customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #118

My question about Kamala Harris has always been her instincts Awsi Dooger Jun 2019 #107

She turned me off. Polly Hennessey Jun 2019 #108

I've had a sneaking suspicion customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #116

I had mixed feelings about Kamala's performance essadaw Jun 2019 #111