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Raven123

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35. I found that unsettling as well

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:32 PM

Jun 2019

I wasn’t unsettled by the confrontation as I think Joe invited it with his comment about Eastland. Frankly, if Harris didn’t address it, I suspect some right winger would have brought it up later. The immediate posting of the photo was just too weird. Harris had a great roll out but has been stagnant in the polls. If her campaign was concerned, this could appear less authentic and more contrived. Watching the post debate shows today, I have seen some discussion of how this may move her numbers.

The other problem that may emerge is that this was a pretty unusual confluence of their lives. This moment will be difficult to replicate and may overshadow her campaign. Haven’t heard much commentary on anything else she said.

I have no doubt that she could take on Trump, so point made!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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It bothers me that Harris's attack on Biden was apparently coldly calculated in advance, [View all] highplainsdem Jun 2019 OP

What a hurtful thing to say... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #1

LOL. That was a gotcha. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #24

The black community has EVERY right to confront insensitivity in any way that works. DemocracyMouse Jun 2019 #206

Oh my gawd. Biden needs to be stronger, but he does not represent represent the panoply emmaverybo Jun 2019 #211

I wasn't "flaming" - I'm genuinely sick of this "get Kamala" bullying, when the problem was... DemocracyMouse Jun 2019 #215

Well, ok. Yes, you were writing in caps. You feel anger on behalf of Harris. Every person here will emmaverybo Jun 2019 #222

Your thoughts are beautifully expressed and I agree with much of it... DemocracyMouse Jun 2019 #256

Hillary grew up middle class. Trump grew up rich. Your "class superiority" theory can't be emulatorloo Jun 2019 #320

I see what you did there! cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #357

Much of AA Community was behind the crime bill. Progressive Senator Bernie Sanders voted for it emulatorloo Jun 2019 #387

What about a more recent time when Sen. Harris was the DA and AG ? Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #392

Well considering that cannabis_flower Jul 2019 #396

It is the reason I support your candidate if for some reason Biden isn't in it...and I think he will Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #398

Also, frankly, who gets called "coldly calculating" ? dawg day Jun 2019 #311

Right. And thats proven by AA support for Joe going up 18% onetexan Jun 2019 #254

Oh please that was not what went on...a political hit...lets not pretend this was a profound moment. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #271

Obama is the epitome True Blue American Jun 2019 #282

I adore Pres. Obama. He was the best president of my lifetime... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #319

What an excellent response. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #336

+1 n/t ariadne0614 Jun 2019 #360

Harris does not strike me as angry, she strikes me as both emotional and cynical... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #302

Sorry, Biden has no one to blame but himself. brush Jun 2019 #275

Undoubtedly, but it says a lot about Harris that her team seized on RHMerriman Jun 2019 #303

Politics is not bean bags. IMO it shows that she manages to display her skills and shine... brush Jun 2019 #309

Kavanaugh and Barr, however, are our enemies... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #312

Mixed record? Seriously? Sorry, but Joe was defending "states rights" as his response to her... brush Jun 2019 #326

Do you have anything Biden did on race in the last 20 years that's objectionable? emulatorloo Jun 2019 #338

Again, Joe is the one who bought up segregationists from 40 years ago. brush Jun 2019 #341

Are you really arguing that supporting federally-ordered mandatory busing of public school children RHMerriman Jun 2019 #354

I don't get it either. Nt BootinUp Jul 2019 #397

There are some pretty good old-fashioned words that come to mind... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #416

He was not responsible for damaging Hill or even trying to. Clarence Thomas, ironically, used emmaverybo Jul 2019 #394

Biden unfortunately as chairman of the committee didn't allow other women... brush Jul 2019 #399

One woman refused to. He weighed calling on her as a hostile witness. Counsel to the emmaverybo Jul 2019 #412

She created this 'opportunity' And it was dishonest too...facts don't add up...t-shirt ready to Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #363

You're blaming her for Joe's misstep? He inexplicably bought up the incident... brush Jun 2019 #371

He'd mentioned it before so she probably had it ready to go before that fundraiser. ucrdem Jun 2019 #372

He is known to be gaffe-prone but this was way more than a gaffe. Hope he gets past it... brush Jun 2019 #373

She.. harris has said herself "they" she and campaign staff had been planning this for months Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #401

Yeah, that t-shirt thing did kinda make people wonder. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #430

Smack! LongtimeAZDem Jun 2019 #298

Says a lot about Harris that her team RHMerriman Jun 2019 #305

And playing the "you hurt my feelings" card is not exactly presidential LongtimeAZDem Jun 2019 #317

Nope ... it's actually pretty much an admission of weakness. RHMerriman Jun 2019 #356

Hope she doesn't do that if she ever debates that crude lump. He'd hurt 'em some more. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #381

why do you put quotation marks around things she didn't say? tishaLA Jul 2019 #414

It seems weird to me that DU is projecting Donald Trump's very real racism onto Biden emulatorloo Jun 2019 #321

Nothing like self-righteousness to make weak people feel strong... RHMerriman Jun 2019 #358

Very strange. Biden wants to defeat the White Supremacist enabler. He rolled out his campaign emmaverybo Jun 2019 #382

Indeed!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #402

That's exactly what's happening. RelativelyJones Jul 2019 #427

Every candidate preplans a "Gotcha moment" left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #2

Preplanned gotcha moments aren't IMO half as effective as genuine, spontaneous reactions. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #4

You know what also works....humor...but it's easier to just go low. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #158

One person did their homework, the other one blew off their debate prep as reported by his aids. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #160

His aides say he "blew off" debate prep? cwydro Jun 2019 #224

Yup, per TBOGG directly. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #240

This is troubling on a number of levels. cwydro Jun 2019 #263

She lost me ...I never thought she could win a general...but as VP maybe...hell if Biden was gone, Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #322

Well, it worked I guess.. she's "the star" of Cha Jun 2019 #3

If it's any help to you, it turned me off her. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #17

if Kamala attacked Biden to gain AA support, she did just the opposite onetexan Jun 2019 #29

It means something.. Thank You, Honeycombe! Cha Jun 2019 #42

Indeed! Pollsters keep saying SC is the bellwether for the AA vote Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #403

Thank You, Thekaspervote! Cha Jul 2019 #408

Moi aussi! Mme. Defarge Jun 2019 #57

I was pretty impressed with Harris's PatSeg Jun 2019 #128

Do white candidates ever play the race card? people Jun 2019 #185

No, because they're white and don't have a race. They're just "people." StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #195

the entire republican party is is about playing the race card in favor of white people JI7 Jun 2019 #202

I read Kamala's book a few months ago FakeNoose Jun 2019 #194

She has a great story PatSeg Jun 2019 #260

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #389

"The race card?" You mean referring to her own experience? dawg day Jun 2019 #313

There is a reason I put "race card" in quotes PatSeg Jun 2019 #366

She misrepresented her own story. She was not bused under Federal mandate. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #395

I agree with you 1,000%. She showed me the real Kamala, last night. I am disgusted. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #5

So you're not buying a T shirt? dem4decades Jun 2019 #8

Agree that the rush to sell the t-shirt was also bad, and also probably planned highplainsdem Jun 2019 #11

Yeah, I have to agree with you there... t-shirts, really?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #54

A crass and blatant giveaway Mme. Defarge Jun 2019 #66

Re the t-shirt -- check out the replies to the CBS News tweet and story about it: highplainsdem Jun 2019 #134

LOVE the t-shirt, LOVE the debate smackdown. Kamala's got the smarts and moxie to chimpymustgo Jun 2019 #369

That photo took no time to find because it has been out there for MONTHS, pnwmom Jun 2019 #13

T-shirts take a little longer. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #20

So? She's been telling that personal story for months now. Nicolle Wallace said that pnwmom Jun 2019 #45

"....succeeded in life in part because of advances in civil rights...." 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #111

President Obama's parents luvtheGWN Jun 2019 #117

Yeah. Well I just hope it ain't her. 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #118

Oh I have to agree!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #404

I said, "in part." She could only attend the public school she did because of pnwmom Jun 2019 #137

She was not an inner city kid...educated parents...lived in Berkley...wait until the oppo research Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #323

I am familiar with Berkeley, are you? pnwmom Jun 2019 #328

We were there when I was little, it was a very nice place as I remember it... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #329

Parts of it weren't so nice. Your parents might not have taken you there. pnwmom Jun 2019 #335

Yeah...and what year was that picture taken? I went to schools that were not that great to...my Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #364

Were you forced to go to a certain school or prevented from living in a nicer neighborhood pnwmom Jun 2019 #365

They can be printed to order jberryhill Jun 2019 #48

I'm not disgusted by her, but I was disappointed to realize how calculated what I'd first thought highplainsdem Jun 2019 #16

So... techne7319 Jun 2019 #153

Biden was showing his integrity and character by honoring the agreement friend of m and j Jun 2019 #210

I have no doubt... techne7319 Jun 2019 #213

I have a problem with insincerity and emotional manipulation, which was my takeaway from highplainsdem Jun 2019 #249

Mining one's own painful and personal history for its political advantage is not a good thing. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #27

Oh my jberryhill Jun 2019 #52

LOL. None of the other candidates ever mention their own stories of struggle, do they? pnwmom Jun 2019 #58

It's the seemingly "calculated" part that's the objection as well stated in the OP. Cha Jun 2019 #79

But the OP is wrong about the photo. It's been all over the Internet since January, pnwmom Jun 2019 #95

So she's worried that advances in Civil Rights are threatened. 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #113

No. But he constantly talks about how he's willing to work with the other side. pnwmom Jun 2019 #132

Biden voted True Blue American Jun 2019 #237

Biden was chair of the Judiciary Committee. We needed him to do more than just vote no. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #245

So? He made decisions that made it easier for other Dems to vote yes. pnwmom Jun 2019 #291

But Harris said she agreed with Biden on working with the other side though emulatorloo Jun 2019 #340

We have decades of Biden's career showing us how he's worked pnwmom Jun 2019 #343

But Harris explicitly said to Biden that she agreed with him on working with the other side. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #347

Clarence Thomas is my main argument. pnwmom Jun 2019 #349

The issue is HOW you work with the other side. And whether Biden's compromises pnwmom Jul 2019 #410

Yes it should... Americans by overwhelming poll approval want the 2 sides to work together Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #405

It matters HOW you work with the other side. In his eagerness to work with the other side, pnwmom Jul 2019 #411

You can recognize it's her even as a little girl. Ligyron Jun 2019 #135

I love that photo. What a strong little girl. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #138

And when do Democrats ever accuse white male Democrats of being "calculating"? pnwmom Jun 2019 #101

IKR mobeau69 Jun 2019 #133

I don't think they will attack rivals in service of their own ambitions, armed with personal emmaverybo Jun 2019 #353

And you, personally, would never support a candidate who did such a thing, would you? pnwmom Jun 2019 #60

It's the seemingly "calculated" part that is objectionable.. Cha Jun 2019 #71

Uh, Joe Biden does that frequently, and I don't mind it at all. dawg day Jun 2019 #314

He has never used personal pain to bring down another candidate not responsible for it, to advance emmaverybo Jun 2019 #331

I wish she had used some of that prosecutorial know-how COLGATE4 Jun 2019 #119

I remember her being the best interrogator of Barr tishaLA Jun 2019 #179

She didn't go after Sanders last night on the issue, even though HE was against busing in the 1970s. George II Jun 2019 #6

Good point. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #7

I'm sure she'll have a way of using his record against him, too tishaLA Jun 2019 #12

She won't have to go after Bernie customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #99

I wonder if she will try the same thing twice Beringia Jun 2019 #103

If her poll numbers go up customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #115

I actually agree re: the junior senator from VT tishaLA Jun 2019 #110

Not necessarily customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #120

That would be unfortunate if she did that tishaLA Jun 2019 #143

We'll have to wait and see customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #149

Unfortunately, some people are going to be considering how this will play nationally. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #188

That's a prosecutor trick customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #191

I would bet most won't forget and she doesn't get the nomination. She is not playing to a jury. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #207

She's acting like she is. customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #208

I think she miscalculated. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #362

She indeed has to fair well in the SC primary, right now it doesn't look like it's going her way Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #407

It looks like customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #409

Worse and worser. Fine for the courtroom, but not for a candidate who leads America out of emmaverybo Jun 2019 #36

Sanders support has already reached its ceiling, and it's dropping. pnwmom Jun 2019 #61

You're kidding!? OMG.. BS was against busing, too..Wow.. Cha Jun 2019 #102

Bazinga! George II Jun 2019 #106

Sanders has... techne7319 Jun 2019 #154

Sanders does not have much support among minorities JI7 Jun 2019 #204

That childhood photo has long been out there. I found it in SECONDS. pnwmom Jun 2019 #9

Why do you keep repeating this? Out there already, but not used in this manipulative context emmaverybo Jun 2019 #114

Because the whole premise of the OP was that the fact they could quickly tweet out the photo pnwmom Jun 2019 #124

No-it was that the exact phrase she used last night was on a t-shirt with the photo, 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #192

Where was it on her twitter feed? I just looked through her Twitter all day June 27 and 28th pnwmom Jun 2019 #212

Sorry, it was picked up by CBS news twitter the night of the debate from her campaign Instagram. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #296

Politicians prepare for debates. tishaLA Jun 2019 #10

Oh ok... techne7319 Jun 2019 #14

She's too ambitious StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #155

Unladylike too Hekate Jun 2019 #216

She didn't plan his response melman Jun 2019 #15

I'm sure that he never thought that she would insinuate that he was a racist. Anyone would be taken Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #21

I mean, it was a story just last weekend. tishaLA Jun 2019 #23

Kamala: "I don't believe that you are a racist, but..." In essence, she called him a racist. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #30

You're actually misquoting her. She never said "I don't believe you're a racist, but" tishaLA Jun 2019 #40

She didn't call him a racist. Blue_true Jun 2019 #83

No putdown. I am a black woman and proud of it. This is why I speak with cred when I say Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #178

Then I defer to you. Blue_true Jun 2019 #361

I'm remind of this quote: "Nothing someone says before the word 'but' really counts" hlthe2b Jun 2019 #238

Not in this personal a way, with an entire scene played out, using self-revelation to score points. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #43

Actually, Sen Booker was quite personal about it too tishaLA Jun 2019 #50

I'm actually surprise by how many she did turn off.. Cha Jun 2019 #112

i dont want a prosecutor in general questionseverything Jun 2019 #37

Oh how true! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #74

Hear hear! defacto7 Jun 2019 #130

I think a 70-something white career politician would not need to be handled with kid gloves RockRaven Jun 2019 #49

This StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #156

BINGO!!!!!! nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #72

I beg to differ. Mme. Defarge Jun 2019 #88

His responsive was too reactive womanofthehills Jun 2019 #139

He reacted to it in proportion to the Mme. Defarge Jun 2019 #151

What is up with everyone... techne7319 Jun 2019 #18

Quit whining about who you perceive as whining. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #33

Deny deny deny... attack techne7319 Jun 2019 #73

Harris uses identity politics to attack her opponents. Galraedia Jun 2019 #175

And I'll argue that... techne7319 Jun 2019 #183

Team Trump will destroy Kamala Harris. Galraedia Jun 2019 #198

You are the attacker. Not I... LakeArenal Jun 2019 #193

Round and round... techne7319 Jun 2019 #203

YOU brought up whining. And still you whine. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #261

It's the tactic. It's the low blow. It's what this says about character. Aside from a killer emmaverybo Jun 2019 #67

Your right to your opinion techne7319 Jun 2019 #80

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. defacto7 Jun 2019 #145

I also respect Buttigieg for his honest answers about Southbend, his having done a tough thing emmaverybo Jun 2019 #176

white male privilege, in part Skittles Jun 2019 #78

Perhaps techne7319 Jun 2019 #86

oh I have noticed Skittles Jun 2019 #187

Thank you techne7319 Jun 2019 #197

Lighten up, Francis. Not everything is a conspiracy. emulatorloo Jun 2019 #332

This message was self-deleted by its author techne7319 Jun 2019 #346

Making up nasty names for a candidate's supporters is frowned on around here n/t emulatorloo Jun 2019 #351

She benefited from a voluntary busing program that she accused Biden of opposing. ucrdem Jun 2019 #19

Actually, I think her point was that more students could have benefited tishaLA Jun 2019 #26

She said "that was hurtful to me" in an emotional tone. ucrdem Jun 2019 #32

Yes, that's called empathy. tishaLA Jun 2019 #41

It was a false accusation on top of a false accusation. ucrdem Jun 2019 #51

Honestly, I don't expect his supporters to like it tishaLA Jun 2019 #53

I hadn't analyzed it completely until now but it was thoroughly disgraceful. ucrdem Jun 2019 #59

The optics frequently differ... tonedevil Jul 2019 #393

Never - I know a few neighbors of mine who are convinced that she can win the general. I do not Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #56

Biden was the perfect target because he IS empathetic, and older, and male. ucrdem Jun 2019 #70

Im Kind of the flip side of DU on this FreeState Jun 2019 #84

Okay but where was the pain? She went to a good school in Berkeley. ucrdem Jun 2019 #87

In her voice when she spoke n/t FreeState Jun 2019 #89

Yes, but that's what we're objecting to. ucrdem Jun 2019 #91

I disagree FreeState Jun 2019 #98

I felt it. It was effective. But it was wrong to accuse Biden of hurting her. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #104

She even tried to link Joe to the fact that a little white girl was told by her mother not to Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #167

She lived in northwest Berkeley it turns out ucrdem Jun 2019 #223

omg. Cha Jun 2019 #234

She is a lawyer. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #196

Her pain? Gimme a break. She is a highly successful attorney with a tough personality redstateblues Jun 2019 #180

That's not a world I would want to live in FreeState Jun 2019 #184

Joe shows empathy. Kamala not so much redstateblues Jun 2019 #189

Are you serious? angrychair Jun 2019 #163

Sadly I agree. Hillary has said more than once that Americans are not ready for a woman president Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #85

Sooooo angrychair Jun 2019 #166

It was faked and the 'I was that girl'...implying Biden hurt her...really disgusting. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #273

I don't buy that for one small second. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #325

You've replied to this one post of mine twice tishaLA Jun 2019 #330

Sorry...missed that. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #337

If it were me, I'd be more sorry tishaLA Jun 2019 #339

I didn't call her liar...now did I? But you know Sen. Harris did imply in her pre-planned attack Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #342

to fake something is, in fact, to lie tishaLA Jun 2019 #348

You can't be hurt that easily treestar Jun 2019 #100

Your reasoning is sounding like whats going on with abortion and the states womanofthehills Jun 2019 #144

This reminds me of the 2016 debate with Sec Clinton tishaLA Jun 2019 #22

I have nothing against preparing for debates. As I said in the OP, I was on debate teams for years. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #39

I go back to what I said: politicians prepare attack lines tishaLA Jun 2019 #47

You understand debate. Corgigal Jun 2019 #257

I want more than just debate skill, which is partly acting skill and partly logic and rhetoric, from highplainsdem Jun 2019 #258

It's part of the show. Corgigal Jun 2019 #259

I think after 8 years of GWB, then 8 of Obama, then 4 of Trump, it's be nice for RockRaven Jun 2019 #25

Not when it is cooked up nonsense... prepared would have been to argue issues...50 year old Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #327

and lord knows being cold and calculating is just for boys. mopinko Jun 2019 #28

Got it in one, mopinko Hekate Jun 2019 #217

You have to understand why all those candidates are there. Each one wants to WIN! napi21 Jun 2019 #31

Sometimes the best thing to do is apologize mountain grammy Jun 2019 #44

That's partly because his current schtick is "working across the aisle." localroger Jun 2019 #92

They all want to win. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #164

Biden should have seen that coming from two weeks away BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #34

yup. Not ready not electable floppyboo Jun 2019 #109

Joe just needs to get his "sea legs" under him. Im sure he'll be better prepared for the next debate InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2019 #429

His staff knew it was coming but DURHAM D Jun 2019 #121

He also didn't listen to them when they told him not to use his relationship with Eastland BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #129

I found that unsettling as well Raven123 Jun 2019 #35

Oh man jcgoldie Jun 2019 #38

That photo has been on the internet for months now and is in her book Kaleva Jun 2019 #46

Yes, it has. Thanks for posting. n/t pnwmom Jun 2019 #63

or the author of that article is just trying to be divisive. Thomas Hurt Jun 2019 #55

Exactly why shouldn't she be prepared? Blue_true Jun 2019 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Aaron Pereira Jun 2019 #64

coldly calculated or she was well planned and prepared IronLionZion Jun 2019 #65

Swalwell was calculating but not cold. Had he suggested that Biden was a racist then he would Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #77

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business... ADX Jun 2019 #68

Oh, you mean her... UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2019 #69

Harris and Booker are still making hay as are many posters. And MSM is running a decent man into emmaverybo Jun 2019 #81

I don't see it as Biden and supporters harping, but the other way round. He is the outstanding Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #96

Thanks for pointing out the sexism. yardwork Jun 2019 #286

or Skittles Jun 2019 #75

HE SAID IT.. own it or get off the stage. N/T NO Gotchas. JustFiveMoreMinutes Jun 2019 #76

I disagree. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2019 #82

I didn't see her defeating Trump. Biden is chivalrous in an old school way. He is also empathetic emmaverybo Jun 2019 #90

That's true, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2019 #108

They should play cold, hard, even dirty with Republicans, Damaging any candidate's reputation emmaverybo Jun 2019 #201

She won't beat Trump...so we have to hope that Biden can win...I think he can. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #274

Cold and calculating is not what voters are after. Yes, removing the dotard is top priority Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #107

Call it what you will, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2019 #116

More than anything, this election depends on votes, on an electoral college pathway, on those votes. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #205

Well, I agree with your post more than mine. No reason debates can't be civil. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #225

Prior to the debate, Biden was polling 50% of the black vote in South Carolina. hay rick Jun 2019 #93

If Biden hadn't opened the door last week by mentioning segregationists, this wouldn't have happened Hoyt Jun 2019 #94

Yes it would have...the t-shirts and all the other crap show this was planned for a while... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #324

Yeah, it would have been a lot better if she hadn't prepared and let your guy win, eh? Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #97

she is a former prosecutor and a skillful one at that AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #105

I wouldn't applaud. I like him because he has shown political skill without sacrificing integrity. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #123

all I am saying that this was a smart move for her AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #126

Exactement! Mme. Defarge Jun 2019 #147

Here comes the spin machine, desperately trying to do damage control Tarc Jun 2019 #122

Meh Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #131

You are gloating prematurely. She tarnished herself a bit and tipped her hand too early in the game. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #136

or double down AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #140

Someone needs to pull up his big-boy pants Tarc Jun 2019 #264

Frankly, if she were a man Bettie Jun 2019 #125

She saw it as an effective debate move... it doesn't seem to be playing well Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #141

The point is that you seem very angry Bettie Jun 2019 #142

Not angry at all. She saw what she did as a way to go after her opponent Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #146

fyi, fivethirtyeight released a poll today shanny Jun 2019 #186

I predict that will be a temporary bump and she will drop back down soon Pachamama Jun 2019 #219

She might. The first debate may turn out to be shanny Jun 2019 #267

Amen! DesertRat Jun 2019 #214

Seems to me that her lady parts are being taken into DURHAM D Jun 2019 #127

She used a bid for sympathy for the "little girl" Biden had hurt, emoting righteous indignation emmaverybo Jun 2019 #157

+1,000,000. It was a very emotional "you hurt me" plea for sympathy, which IS effective highplainsdem Jun 2019 #181

Why? It bothers you that Dems Plan and Have a Strategy to Win? bitterross Jun 2019 #148

Meh. BlueWI Jun 2019 #150

Most politicians calculate every move they make and everything they say. ... spin Jun 2019 #152

The real Kamala was revealed last night. Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #159

I was impressed too. /nt tonedevil Jul 2019 #406

Are Male Politicians Ever Labeled as Calculating? dlk Jun 2019 #161

The repukes sure are. I often see calculating ascribed to McConnell. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #199

I would label Swalwell as calculating Bayard Jun 2019 #270

Swallwell Merely Repeated Biden's Own Words dlk Jun 2019 #278

Last night Kamala Harris gave us a preview of the knockout punch she'll deliver to Donald Trump mtnsnake Jun 2019 #162

Biden Isn't Very Deft In Such Matters DallasNE Jun 2019 #165

Whether her attack was right or wrong, depending on how you feel, calguy Jun 2019 #168

Agreed. BlueWI Jun 2019 #370

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #169

As a woman, I completely disagree with your generalization Pachamama Jun 2019 #220

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #241

10 days on DU and in single post to me, a member for 15 years, you manage to accuse me of sexism, Pachamama Jun 2019 #242

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #243

Now you say DU is full of Bigots? Pachamama Jun 2019 #247

I agree with you StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #246

It's called debate prep StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #170

If Kamala's attack was to get more POC on her side it doesn't Cha Jun 2019 #171

Me too Pepsidog Jun 2019 #172

I like Harris, but I said last night she was relying on yanking peoples chain emotionally. 58Sunliner Jun 2019 #173

Thank you. Mme. Defarge Jun 2019 #218

+1000 Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #380

Makes me wonder what Pics she has ready for her debate with Trump!! aeromanKC Jun 2019 #174

I would not bet on Trump agreeing to debate any Democrat. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #182

So.. Ztolkins Jun 2019 #177

Cue the crickets. BlueWI Jun 2019 #368

Booker has been all over him on the race issue Ztolkins Jul 2019 #390

Interesting angrychair Jun 2019 #190

Yeah, 'cause that's a first in politics... Hekate Jun 2019 #200

+1 SunSeeker Jun 2019 #233

+2 MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #250

It was pretty awesome and effective. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #209

What should bother you about that exchange is that Biden was not prepared for it. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #221

He defended his civil rights record forcefully. He corrected Harris on her key points. ucrdem Jun 2019 #226

He should have had a better response than defending state's rights. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #228

Biden didn't defend states rights and it's just plain lazy to claim that he did. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #229

Yes he did. How is it "lazy" to point out what he said? Come on. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #230

He didn't say it or allude to it last night. ucrdem Jun 2019 #231

He didn't say he opposed it because it was "massively hated," you did. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #232

Cory didn't say it either. And if he does he'll be wrong. ucrdem Jun 2019 #235

If Biden doesn't acknowledge his mistakes, he can't fix them. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #295

The point is that the press can call it states rights but Biden didn't and we shouldn't. ucrdem Jun 2019 #297

It's not a "lazy characterization." He clearly invoked a states rights argument. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #300

No, he did not. And you haven't provided any quotes to show otherwise. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #301

Yes I did. See posts 232 above. Here, I'll give it to you again: SunSeeker Jun 2019 #304

Those are press accounts, not Biden statements. nt ucrdem Jun 2019 #306

Biden QUOTE: "...what I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education." SunSeeker Jun 2019 #307

No mentions of states rights. As I think I've pointed out once or twice. ucrdem Jun 2019 #308

Biden used the argument, not the term. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #334

The term he used is "local decision made by your city council." ucrdem Jul 2019 #413

Opposing federal mandate in favor of "local decision" is a states rights argument. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #415

School districts are not states. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #417

School districts are part of the local/state govt states rights advocates wanted trumping the feds. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #418

Her staged "moment" completely changed my opinion of her. democratisphere Jun 2019 #227

I've become undecided Lulu KC Jun 2019 #236

VP Biden must be able to handle the sudden, off the grid attacks... FarPoint Jun 2019 #239

You should be more bothered that Biden was unprepared... SidDithers Jun 2019 #244

If this was planned for months on her part it wouldn't have mattered what his answer was Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #379

Oh come on. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #248

I like Harris and Biden. The proper thing is to attack Rump's constant racism. Mc Mike Jun 2019 #251

Nothing wrong with having a plan underpants Jun 2019 #252

"coldly calculated" vs "more sympathetic and likeable" ehrnst Jun 2019 #253

Nailed it... SidDithers Jun 2019 #255

Yep. It's the same mistreatment Hillary got. nt. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #420

As a woman, I find it amusing that you think my opinion here is sexist. I supported highplainsdem Jun 2019 #266

Straw man, anyone? ehrnst Jun 2019 #268

I agree Bev54 Jun 2019 #318

+1000 Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #378

Please, McConnell is also cold and calculating. This Atlantic article even described him as such... Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #269

"Also"? McConnell is evil, and coldly conspired to illegally deprive Obama of a SCOTUS seat. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #421

She's a prosecutor. She comes prepared MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #262

Has anyone asked Senator Harris if she will campaigning on reinstating busing? emulatorloo Jun 2019 #345

Biden's support with AA voters following the debate jumped 18% Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #377

It made Warren the big winner of the night, to be honest. Eom tarheelsunc Jun 2019 #265

Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #272

She's a career prosecutor, of course she is cold and calculating madville Jun 2019 #277

I have been saying, I am way more Perry Mason than Hamilton Burger. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #279

Somebody's Got to Say It yellowwoodII Jun 2019 #276

Didn't Hillary vote the same on the Iraq war? LakeArenal Jun 2019 #280

Yes, She Did yellowwoodII Jun 2019 #283

The Iraq war vote debate thing with him happened Thursday (and will again) It just got lost in the Celerity Jun 2019 #316

You are being sarcastic, right? Trueblue Texan Jun 2019 #281

I want candidates who are strategic and effective. yardwork Jun 2019 #284

Me, too. And ruthless in their attacks. Politicub Jun 2019 #287

Absolutely! This is not a tea party. yardwork Jun 2019 #289

It bothers me that Biden made a states rights argument Politicub Jun 2019 #285

same here..i even told hubby that now i feel harris will step all over others to get ahead.. samnsara Jun 2019 #288

Step over others? DU is driving me bananas this morning. Politicub Jun 2019 #292

"We need democrats to be more aggressive!!" Blue_Adept Jun 2019 #290

It was obviously planned, and at first I was taken aback with what seemed like crocodile tears... TreasonousBastard Jun 2019 #293

You honestly think Trump would care if he "hurt" her or that she could shame him? He'd just mug emmaverybo Jun 2019 #384

That is all too true, but shaming him isn't really the point, since... TreasonousBastard Jun 2019 #386

Good point. But her effectiveness to challenge Biden relied in part on discombobulating emmaverybo Jun 2019 #388

LOL @ "coldly calculated" vs "planned" Iggo Jun 2019 #294

Joe walked straight into a left hook in the main event slugfest, down for the count! Baclava Jun 2019 #299

I find it hard to believe that Joe Biden is so sensitive that the other candidates have to make nice dawg day Jun 2019 #310

He can't be tough...why she was a 'hurting little girl'...she played it so a gentleman like Biden's Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #333

Me too. And I was bussed around town to get to school. Rene Jun 2019 #315

Enough with the "coldly calculated" BS. shanny Jun 2019 #344

Yes, a man would be called "machiavellian" emulatorloo Jun 2019 #352

Doesn't bother me one bit. I'm bothered more by Biden not being ready Bucky Jun 2019 #350

It Was What It Was colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #355

Shows me she could deal with kim jung un very well. Irishxs Jun 2019 #359

Nah, he'd just say something hurtful LongtimeAZDem Jun 2019 #367

By saying he hurt her? Trying to make him say sorry to "that little girl?" And how much does emmaverybo Jun 2019 #383

Let me get this straight: a career prosecutor prepares a "gotcha" Recursion Jun 2019 #374

To compare how biden did against harris and how he will do against dotard is not a good comparison Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #400

Too bad Biden wasn't coldly calculating all the attacks that would be coming his way. He was TeamPooka Jun 2019 #375

He was caught being a gentleman that agreed not to attack other dems Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #376

This is politics not patty-cake... BlueJac Jun 2019 #385

Her story was misleading. She made herself the poster-girl for Federally mandated busing, but emmaverybo Jul 2019 #391

She did not "misrepresent herself." Nothing she said was a lie. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #419

Yes. Berkley Ca. for the past 150 years has been a liberal bastion. In fact, it has a emmaverybo Jul 2019 #422

Oh come on. The Bay Area has a long history of segregation. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #423

The free speech movement was about civil rights, not just saying the F word. Harris's school board emmaverybo Jul 2019 #425

As Harris pointed out, Berkeley did not integrate until 2 decades after Brown v. Bd. Of Ed. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #428

Gives me a lot to think about. Thanks. More fed money for schools, but people need housing help, emmaverybo Jul 2019 #431

This message was self-deleted by its author SunSeeker Jul 2019 #424

It was unnecessary wiley Jul 2019 #426