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True Dough

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38. I'm with you on that

Sun Jun 30, 2019, 12:41 PM

Jun 2019

We don't need what little support we could cultivate from NRA members, and at what price? We'd have to make sacrifices to persuade them to cross the aisle.

And, in the meantime, it will turn off many Dems.

A losing proposition indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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An open invitation to Biden supporters who have long been opposed to the NRA [View all] True Dough Jun 2019 OP

so...if Biden is dem nom are you going to vote for him? samnsara Jun 2019 #1

Sure, I'd still choose him over Trump or any other ReThug True Dough Jun 2019 #7

Biden made it clear he was talking about NRA members and NOT its leadership, and he pointed highplainsdem Jun 2019 #2

Of course that's whom he meant and didn't mean. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #3

A lot of Biden critics seem to be past masters at mischaracterization. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #4

I thought we'd been through this True Dough Jun 2019 #9

Since I never said I was "forgiving of Trump supporters" and neither did Biden, I don't know highplainsdem Jun 2019 #11

No more than you're absolutely refusing to confront True Dough Jun 2019 #14

The NRA has millions of members, of which more than 70% apparently are willing to consider highplainsdem Jun 2019 #19

"more than 70% apparently are willing to consider some gun reform." True Dough Jun 2019 #23

What atheists? Lordquinton Jul 2019 #98

Maybe there are none? True Dough Jul 2019 #99

There are a handful of atheists in politics Lordquinton Jul 2019 #102

Seems anytime Dawkins says anything about religion Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2019 #112

Baiting. And your invitational post was baiting. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #55

You'd like to believe that True Dough Jun 2019 #58

I was not thinking about it in terms of TOS at all. Yes, he referenced members in NRA, not emmaverybo Jun 2019 #59

The membership signs up and pays dues True Dough Jun 2019 #60

We need more than registered Dems to win. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #61

We don't need to compromise our values True Dough Jun 2019 #62

Fair enough. All I need to know regarding Biden is that he would fight for gun control legislation emmaverybo Jun 2019 #63

Actually we don't. Registered Democrats far outnumber Republicans. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #67

We already have more than enough. They need to be inspired to go to the polls and gldstwmn Jun 2019 #71

There's no difference between the rank and file. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #70

It is absolutely fair game since he's the one who brought it up. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #66

Exactly. ucrdem Jun 2019 #22

Anyone who still belongs to the NRA is okay with fascism HopeAgain Jun 2019 #28

There's no difference. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #68

Correct. At the same time, I can myself no longer distinguish between them. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #101

Between all the Biden bashing SCVDem Jun 2019 #5

The context and history of his choices in this case True Dough Jun 2019 #12

I don't get your point at all. I'm sure someone can research comments made here.... George II Jun 2019 #6

Feel free to do that, George II True Dough Jun 2019 #8

I don't see how what Biden said is an "NRA apologist position". What I admire about those you say... George II Jun 2019 #10

The NRA isn't the enemy True Dough Jun 2019 #15

It seemed clear that he was distinguishing between the lobbying operation and the membership. ucrdem Jun 2019 #13

The membership supports the lobbying operation True Dough Jun 2019 #16

Indirectly perhaps, but the membership also votes in elections. ucrdem Jun 2019 #17

Yes, the membership elected Wayne LaPierre! True Dough Jun 2019 #20

The NRA was around before Wayne LaPierre. ucrdem Jun 2019 #21

Yes, the NRA does predate Wayne LaPierre True Dough Jun 2019 #24

With the NRA leadership in turmoil, VP Biden could have chosen a worse time crazytown Jun 2019 #18

Meet the members of the NRA Kaleva Jun 2019 #25

Support the Second Amendment. democratisphere Jun 2019 #26

We must distinguish between the leadership of the NRA, and the membership. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #27

The membership enables the leadership True Dough Jun 2019 #29

I find it fascinating that we are now to accept (embrace?) the majority of NRA members Kaleva Jun 2019 #30

You'll notice that there have been plenty of Biden supporters True Dough Jun 2019 #31

It's far easier to defend a 30+ year old position then a current one. Kaleva Jun 2019 #35

Absolutely it is. True Dough Jun 2019 #37

True that is a stupid idea to reach out...who gives a fuck about Florida, Ohio, PENN , Arizona.. UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #43

There are approximately 5 million NRA members. True Dough Jun 2019 #46

It's actually an outreach to the broader mass of gun owning people. It's him saying he's not UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #50

Hey, I can't disagree that letting the "broader range" of gun owners has some merit True Dough Jun 2019 #52

Is someone actually arguing against this quote? RHMerriman Jun 2019 #53

Reaching around to the NRA will not win those states. No need to curse. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #72

Well ain't that some shit. If your gonna call out all the cursing and cursors you got a lot of UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #73

You seem pretty frustrated. I'm sorry things aren't working out the way you want them to. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #75

I want you to have a wonderful fucking night...or what's left of it! xoxooxxo UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #76

I see Biden's point. What is wrong with that? treestar Jun 2019 #32

Take a look at the numerous posts in this thread True Dough Jun 2019 #36

I haven't read every one of your posts treestar Jun 2019 #39

Let me see if I understand your post correctly... True Dough Jun 2019 #40

I'm just showing you how it is treestar Jun 2019 #44

That's where you're wrong True Dough Jun 2019 #45

It is calling out other DUers treestar Jun 2019 #48

Mayor Pete or any other Dem candidate True Dough Jun 2019 #57

How did Biden "reach out" to the NRA? treestar Jul 2019 #79

He's opening the door by saying they're not our enemy True Dough Jul 2019 #82

People are too busy being 'pure'...meanwhile average everyday Democrats DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #42

The NRA is all but bankrupt - due to internal corruption. MineralMan Jun 2019 #33

NRA membership is a virtual guarantee of right-wing Democratic-hating beliefs. Paladin Jun 2019 #34

I'm with you on that True Dough Jun 2019 #38

Considering I'm not stupid it's pretty clear why he said this. There may be some votes to be UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #41

I just responded to you in the other thread where you made a very similar response True Dough Jun 2019 #47

Sure if that's what you think...we'll see if he suffers for it. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #49

He will not be the nominee. Of that I am fairly certain. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #74

The NRA is directly responsible for mass murder. Lint Head Jun 2019 #51

This is weird, dude. yardwork Jun 2019 #54

Despise NRA, manufacturers, other gun profiteers, and gun-lovers. They all are synonymous and Hoyt Jun 2019 #56

Biden did not say that "NRA and its members are not the enemy" Jersey Devil Jun 2019 #64

Biden's Twitter account specified NRA members True Dough Jun 2019 #65

Meet the members of the NRA Kaleva Jun 2019 #69

I'll try .. zaj Jun 2019 #77

Sounds like a wonderful theory True Dough Jul 2019 #80

We know... zaj Jul 2019 #85

Can you provide any statistics True Dough Jul 2019 #86

Pew: 20% of NRA members are Democrats zaj Jul 2019 #87

But we don't know what percentage of that 20 per cent defected to Trump True Dough Jul 2019 #88

Blaming the manufacturers is a winning strategy. . zaj Jul 2019 #89

Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders have both used their positive ratings with the NRA tirebiter Jul 2019 #78

Bernie Sanders back then, or Bernie Sanders now? True Dough Jul 2019 #81

Does it matter? tirebiter Jul 2019 #103

Apparently not to you True Dough Jul 2019 #105

Does now tirebiter Jul 2019 #113

That was before Mueller/Russia. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #92

Who, specifically? LanternWaste Jul 2019 #83

You read the OP in full, didn't you? True Dough Jul 2019 #84

This is bullshit. That is all. Midwestocrat Jul 2019 #90

Well technically it's not bullshit BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #91

You missed the point completely. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #93

It was Biden who said last week that the NRA and its membership are not our enemy True Dough Jul 2019 #94

Less tough questions, and more your denial of answers which don't validate your narrative. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #95

I don't know how much simpler I can make this... True Dough Jul 2019 #97

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #96

How many concurrent Biden Splains are in progress? Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #100

No splain response from you True Dough Jul 2019 #104

As Senator Warren said Wednesday UncleFrank Jul 2019 #106

Frankly, True Dough Jul 2019 #109

Giving the benefit of the doubt Lordquinton Jul 2019 #107

It's baffling True Dough Jul 2019 #110

It's Dems that he needs to court, not the NRA. He doesn't need to go out of his way Autumn Jul 2019 #108

EXACTLY! True Dough Jul 2019 #111