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True Dough

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82. He's opening the door by saying they're not our enemy

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 09:31 AM

Jul 2019

They're sure as hell not our allies. They never will be.

I don't claim to be an expert on Biden's position on guns. I heard him say during the debate that only biometric firearms (or "smart guns" ) should be sold in the U.S. There currently are no smart guns for sale in America. Know why? Because of the NRA. Look it up.

I also see Biden said this:

"Gun licensing will not change whether or not people buy what weapons — what kinds of weapons they can buy, where they can use them, how they can store them." – CNN

Yet, Buttigieg, Warren, Harris, Sanders, Booker, Hickenlooper, Inslee, Swalwell and Yang have expressed support for firearms licensing.

Beyond that, I think Biden has a strong record on guns. My objective isn't to vilify him. He's a good man, IMO. He's just not the best candidate among a very strong field.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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An open invitation to Biden supporters who have long been opposed to the NRA [View all] True Dough Jun 2019 OP

so...if Biden is dem nom are you going to vote for him? samnsara Jun 2019 #1

Sure, I'd still choose him over Trump or any other ReThug True Dough Jun 2019 #7

Biden made it clear he was talking about NRA members and NOT its leadership, and he pointed highplainsdem Jun 2019 #2

Of course that's whom he meant and didn't mean. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #3

A lot of Biden critics seem to be past masters at mischaracterization. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #4

I thought we'd been through this True Dough Jun 2019 #9

Since I never said I was "forgiving of Trump supporters" and neither did Biden, I don't know highplainsdem Jun 2019 #11

No more than you're absolutely refusing to confront True Dough Jun 2019 #14

The NRA has millions of members, of which more than 70% apparently are willing to consider highplainsdem Jun 2019 #19

"more than 70% apparently are willing to consider some gun reform." True Dough Jun 2019 #23

What atheists? Lordquinton Jul 2019 #98

Maybe there are none? True Dough Jul 2019 #99

There are a handful of atheists in politics Lordquinton Jul 2019 #102

Seems anytime Dawkins says anything about religion Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2019 #112

Baiting. And your invitational post was baiting. NT emmaverybo Jun 2019 #55

You'd like to believe that True Dough Jun 2019 #58

I was not thinking about it in terms of TOS at all. Yes, he referenced members in NRA, not emmaverybo Jun 2019 #59

The membership signs up and pays dues True Dough Jun 2019 #60

We need more than registered Dems to win. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #61

We don't need to compromise our values True Dough Jun 2019 #62

Fair enough. All I need to know regarding Biden is that he would fight for gun control legislation emmaverybo Jun 2019 #63

Actually we don't. Registered Democrats far outnumber Republicans. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #67

We already have more than enough. They need to be inspired to go to the polls and gldstwmn Jun 2019 #71

There's no difference between the rank and file. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #70

It is absolutely fair game since he's the one who brought it up. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #66

Exactly. ucrdem Jun 2019 #22

Anyone who still belongs to the NRA is okay with fascism HopeAgain Jun 2019 #28

There's no difference. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #68

Correct. At the same time, I can myself no longer distinguish between them. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #101

Between all the Biden bashing SCVDem Jun 2019 #5

The context and history of his choices in this case True Dough Jun 2019 #12

I don't get your point at all. I'm sure someone can research comments made here.... George II Jun 2019 #6

Feel free to do that, George II True Dough Jun 2019 #8

I don't see how what Biden said is an "NRA apologist position". What I admire about those you say... George II Jun 2019 #10

The NRA isn't the enemy True Dough Jun 2019 #15

It seemed clear that he was distinguishing between the lobbying operation and the membership. ucrdem Jun 2019 #13

The membership supports the lobbying operation True Dough Jun 2019 #16

Indirectly perhaps, but the membership also votes in elections. ucrdem Jun 2019 #17

Yes, the membership elected Wayne LaPierre! True Dough Jun 2019 #20

The NRA was around before Wayne LaPierre. ucrdem Jun 2019 #21

Yes, the NRA does predate Wayne LaPierre True Dough Jun 2019 #24

With the NRA leadership in turmoil, VP Biden could have chosen a worse time crazytown Jun 2019 #18

Meet the members of the NRA Kaleva Jun 2019 #25

Support the Second Amendment. democratisphere Jun 2019 #26

We must distinguish between the leadership of the NRA, and the membership. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #27

The membership enables the leadership True Dough Jun 2019 #29

I find it fascinating that we are now to accept (embrace?) the majority of NRA members Kaleva Jun 2019 #30

You'll notice that there have been plenty of Biden supporters True Dough Jun 2019 #31

It's far easier to defend a 30+ year old position then a current one. Kaleva Jun 2019 #35

Absolutely it is. True Dough Jun 2019 #37

True that is a stupid idea to reach out...who gives a fuck about Florida, Ohio, PENN , Arizona.. UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #43

There are approximately 5 million NRA members. True Dough Jun 2019 #46

It's actually an outreach to the broader mass of gun owning people. It's him saying he's not UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #50

Hey, I can't disagree that letting the "broader range" of gun owners has some merit True Dough Jun 2019 #52

Is someone actually arguing against this quote? RHMerriman Jun 2019 #53

Reaching around to the NRA will not win those states. No need to curse. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #72

Well ain't that some shit. If your gonna call out all the cursing and cursors you got a lot of UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #73

You seem pretty frustrated. I'm sorry things aren't working out the way you want them to. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #75

I want you to have a wonderful fucking night...or what's left of it! xoxooxxo UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #76

I see Biden's point. What is wrong with that? treestar Jun 2019 #32

Take a look at the numerous posts in this thread True Dough Jun 2019 #36

I haven't read every one of your posts treestar Jun 2019 #39

Let me see if I understand your post correctly... True Dough Jun 2019 #40

I'm just showing you how it is treestar Jun 2019 #44

That's where you're wrong True Dough Jun 2019 #45

It is calling out other DUers treestar Jun 2019 #48

Mayor Pete or any other Dem candidate True Dough Jun 2019 #57

How did Biden "reach out" to the NRA? treestar Jul 2019 #79

He's opening the door by saying they're not our enemy True Dough Jul 2019 #82

People are too busy being 'pure'...meanwhile average everyday Democrats DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #42

The NRA is all but bankrupt - due to internal corruption. MineralMan Jun 2019 #33

NRA membership is a virtual guarantee of right-wing Democratic-hating beliefs. Paladin Jun 2019 #34

I'm with you on that True Dough Jun 2019 #38

Considering I'm not stupid it's pretty clear why he said this. There may be some votes to be UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #41

I just responded to you in the other thread where you made a very similar response True Dough Jun 2019 #47

Sure if that's what you think...we'll see if he suffers for it. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #49

He will not be the nominee. Of that I am fairly certain. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #74

The NRA is directly responsible for mass murder. Lint Head Jun 2019 #51

This is weird, dude. yardwork Jun 2019 #54

Despise NRA, manufacturers, other gun profiteers, and gun-lovers. They all are synonymous and Hoyt Jun 2019 #56

Biden did not say that "NRA and its members are not the enemy" Jersey Devil Jun 2019 #64

Biden's Twitter account specified NRA members True Dough Jun 2019 #65

Meet the members of the NRA Kaleva Jun 2019 #69

I'll try .. zaj Jul 2019 #77

Sounds like a wonderful theory True Dough Jul 2019 #80

We know... zaj Jul 2019 #85

Can you provide any statistics True Dough Jul 2019 #86

Pew: 20% of NRA members are Democrats zaj Jul 2019 #87

But we don't know what percentage of that 20 per cent defected to Trump True Dough Jul 2019 #88

Blaming the manufacturers is a winning strategy. . zaj Jul 2019 #89

Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders have both used their positive ratings with the NRA tirebiter Jul 2019 #78

Bernie Sanders back then, or Bernie Sanders now? True Dough Jul 2019 #81

Does it matter? tirebiter Jul 2019 #103

Apparently not to you True Dough Jul 2019 #105

Does now tirebiter Jul 2019 #113

That was before Mueller/Russia. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #92

Who, specifically? LanternWaste Jul 2019 #83

You read the OP in full, didn't you? True Dough Jul 2019 #84

This is bullshit. That is all. Midwestocrat Jul 2019 #90

Well technically it's not bullshit BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #91

You missed the point completely. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #93

It was Biden who said last week that the NRA and its membership are not our enemy True Dough Jul 2019 #94

Less tough questions, and more your denial of answers which don't validate your narrative. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #95

I don't know how much simpler I can make this... True Dough Jul 2019 #97

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #96

How many concurrent Biden Splains are in progress? Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #100

No splain response from you True Dough Jul 2019 #104

As Senator Warren said Wednesday UncleFrank Jul 2019 #106

Frankly, True Dough Jul 2019 #109

Giving the benefit of the doubt Lordquinton Jul 2019 #107

It's baffling True Dough Jul 2019 #110

It's Dems that he needs to court, not the NRA. He doesn't need to go out of his way Autumn Jul 2019 #108

EXACTLY! True Dough Jul 2019 #111