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JCannon

(67 posts)
12. Oh fer chrissakes...
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jul 2019

You weren't around during the 1970s. I was. Forced busing didn't ameliorate segregation. Forced busing WORSENED segregation.

Parents don't want their kids to get up before dawn to take an hour long (maybe two-hour long) bus ride to the worst school imaginable. Plain and simple. When forced to deal with that situation, parents will move to a new district. Like it or not, that's what happens. Nothing can stop it. You can scream "Racist!" all you want, but nothing can stop it. The Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that kids cannot be bused outside of their school district. And it's not as though you'll get a different deal from THIS Supreme Court.

Talk to someone who lived through the 1970s. At that time, the post-Nixon era, the Republican party was on the ropes. People were talking about a Democratic stranglehold on the White House for decades. What turned it around? To a large degree, it was busing. People HATED busing. There were riots. Busing gave us the Reagan revolution.

Believe it or not, busing wasn't particularly well-liked by many of the black kids who came to my school in the San Fernando Valley as part of a voluntary busing program. I know this because I talked to them. Athletic programs and after-school clubs were a real pain (especially when away games increased the travel time). Those kids spent hours on the bus every day, and they came to hate it. Even then, traffic problems turned L.A. freeways into parking lots. The feeling of confinement, of being trapped, would drive anyone nuts.

I was a big Kamala Harris supporter until that debate. When she obstinately came out in favor of forced busing, it was the worst disappointment I've felt since election night, 2016. When she single-handedly wedded the Democratic party to that incredibly unpopular idea, she became the de facto chairwoman of the Committee to Re-Elect Donald Trump.

Harris says that busing worked for her. Well, how long was HER travel time? Maybe ten minutes, or so I've been told. Because SHE had a good experience, she wants to make kids in Los Angeles get up before dawn to travel for hours each day on freeways that are far worse than they were in the 1970s. Talk about self-absorbed! Her attitude is almost Trumpian.

And no, I do not prefer Biden. For reasons separate from this controversy, I have long believed that he must not get the nomination. I used to favor Harris. Right now, I (somewhat) lean toward Warren, though I'm keeping my options open.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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As article indicates, Biden played into what segregationists wanted -- more time to drag feet and Hoyt Jul 2019 #1
Oh fer chrissakes... JCannon Jul 2019 #12
"Forced busing" was a term coined by Lee Atwater and crew to appeal to segregationists Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #16
The term predates Atwater. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #32
I was around, and forced busing was only used when the local white controlled government dragged Hoyt Jul 2019 #17
"Forced busing" was a term specifically coined to form consensus against it Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #21
Forced busing is precisely the right term JCannon Jul 2019 #28
Source of "revisionist history": New York Times, 6 October, 2005 Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #29
That's no proof at all JCannon Jul 2019 #37
Thanks for your input. You are 100% correct about the disaster R B Garr Jul 2019 #45
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #2
This wyldwolf Jul 2019 #3
Like that, do ya? Cirque du So-What Jul 2019 #7
From the darling of the left to self-inflicted wound... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #4
It never should have been raised as an issue. George II Jul 2019 #5
I don't see any comments section. Hmmph. (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2019 #6
You would have to click on the bubble icon, on the left of the website... Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #9
The HuffPo comment section is infested with right wing trolls. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #18
Misleading headline. She did not "back away from busing as a federal mandate." SunSeeker Jul 2019 #8
This is Huffpost's Headline... Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #10
Yes, and you posted it, without even including Harris' actual quote. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #13
Any more unfair than the claim treestar Jul 2019 #11
So two wrongs make a right? Seriously? SunSeeker Jul 2019 #14
She found it hurtful that he mentioned talking with them treestar Jul 2019 #19
That's what I thought. You made up the quote. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #22
She said "considered by a school DISTRICT". I think she did a pretty good job with the walk back.nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #15
No, she just said the school district should consider it, not that the feds shouldn't intervene. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #20
A misleading headline from HuffPo? What is the world coming to? thesquanderer Jul 2019 #25
Epic flip-flop NYMinute Jul 2019 #23
Did you read the article? All she said was school districts should consider busing. nt SunSeeker Jul 2019 #24
She said the same thing that she attacked Joe Biden with NYMinute Jul 2019 #36
No she didn't. Her position is fed action should be part of the anti-segregation "tool box." SunSeeker Jul 2019 #38
You can try to spin it that way but it is obvious to everyone. nt NYMinute Jul 2019 #42
I'm not engaing in spin. I'm stating her position. She stated it again today. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #46
A hit and run? Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #26
We're allowed to do that here ... ucrdem Jul 2019 #34
sheesh, everyone including Harris should just move on from busing... Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #27
She was responding to a question from a reporter. It was not in her prepared remarks. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #30
good luck putting the genie back in the bottle. ucrdem Jul 2019 #35
Rev. Jesse Jackson says Harris on 'the wrong side of history' with busing wyldwolf Jul 2019 #31
LOL, Joe Biden, accidental prophet. ucrdem Jul 2019 #33
Why should Rev. Jackdon "call out" Harris? She did not make a pro-states rights argument. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #39
Sure she did...by saying she opposed federally imposed busing she left it to the states...states Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #43
That's not what she said. SunSeeker Jul 2019 #44
She said she had the same position as he does...so...Hope she can manage to explain herself. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47
Nope. He opposes the fed ordered busing in the 60s/70s, she doesn't. nt SunSeeker Jul 2019 #48
I'm seeing a LOT of tweets about Harris's backtracking, and they're showing up among highplainsdem Jul 2019 #40
Wow.. this should be an OP, Cha Jul 2019 #41
Selling "authenticity" won't be so easy as selling t-shirts. oasis Jul 2019 #49
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