Democratic Primaries

MichMan

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88. Having trouble understanding this

Reply to trueblue2007 (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 08:10 AM

Jul 2019

Has the Sanders campaign and the union ratified an agreement or not?

If so, the contract is what it is, and both sides need to live up to the terms. Otherwise they shouldn't have agreed to it in the first place.

Is the union complaint that the Sanders campaign is violating the terms of the labor contract? Or that they dont like what they had already ratified?

If the former, then there is a process to file a grievance with the NLRB and get a ruling forcing the campaign to adhere to the contract as written. They could also picket the debates in Detroit( a very union friendly town) and embarrass Bernie.

If they just dont like the contract they signed, then that ship has sailed. They still have to follow it whether they have second thoughts or not. How overtime is handled is fundamental in every single labor contract. You dont get a do over

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bernie Samders doesn't pay his organizers the min wage of $15.00. HYPOCRITE !!! [View all] trueblue2007 Jul 2019 OP

Soooooooooooooooo sad trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #1

Is 60 the expectation? quakerboy Jul 2019 #5

Other campaigns haven't made $15 a cornerstone of their campaigns. No other campaigns... George II Jul 2019 #45

Somebody pls, pls, pls, tell me this is not true. They don't make $15 an hour? One of... brush Jul 2019 #58

We told BS to tend to his own campaign when Cha Jul 2019 #2

Union is asking 15x60x52 - $46,800 + Health Insurance +58c / mile auto crazytown Jul 2019 #3

Doesn't seem unreasonable.. Cha Jul 2019 #4

isn't anything over 40 hours per week paid OT at time and a half rates? Celerity Jul 2019 #6

I was quoting the union demand to the dollar - $46,800 crazytown Jul 2019 #7

I believe the $0.58 per mile is the IRS guideline for business expenses. To be honest, depending... George II Jul 2019 #46

Any Money To Jane & Her Children? Me. Jul 2019 #52

Nothing directly, but four of his top seven vendors are LLCs, who aren't required... George II Jul 2019 #53

Like Old Towne Media? Me. Jul 2019 #54

That was the big one last time. About $100M paid to them - Weaver worked for them.... George II Jul 2019 #56

This is the second time this year that BS campaign whistle blowers lapucelle Jul 2019 #8

Wow.. the 2nd time? Cha Jul 2019 #9

Why isn't he paying his workers what he "espouses" ....... trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #96

I'm sure that questions will be asked at the debate. N/T lapucelle Jul 2019 #98

The point of a $15 minimum is that 40 hours should give you a livable wage. It does not... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #16

Salaried jobs do not generally have an expectation mcar Jul 2019 #31

It should not be an expectation that low-level SALARY staffers ($31K is LOW level).... George II Jul 2019 #48

It's $36k, not $31k. But regardless, we don't have all the info... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #62

p.s. it's $36k, plus it includes full health coverage, and vacation (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2019 #70

And 60 hours a week. Read the article here: George II Jul 2019 #71

Nothing in that article mentions the 60 hour figure. So... thesquanderer Jul 2019 #72

So then, why are they negotiating to get $15 an hour? If he's now saying he's going to "limit"... George II Jul 2019 #73

There's a whole lot of space between 42/43 and 60. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #76

Have you ever been a paid staffer on a campaign, or even a volunteer? George II Jul 2019 #77

That's the kind of question that that leads to irrelevant anecdotal topic derailment. (nt) thesquanderer Jul 2019 #80

No it doesn't. It gives real life perspective on the discussion at hand. I guess you haven't. George II Jul 2019 #81

I'm just discussing the facts as presented, and they don't change with personal experience. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #93

sanders is cutting hours Gothmog Jul 2019 #120

Yeah Yeah.. I'm sure BS is Cha Jul 2019 #122

I gotta say, this sounds like any corp that rather than increase pay, making it comparable to other silentEcho Jul 2019 #123

The wage discrimination/ sexual harassment/ sexual violence lapucelle Jul 2019 #10

It's great that they unionized. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #11

Well said! It's not like they Cha Jul 2019 #12

I'm a bit surprised this wasn't a part of the original negotiation. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #14

Me too. But who would've guessed DasMadchen Jul 2019 #128

A couple of months ago he was boasting that his campaign was the first to unionize.... George II Jul 2019 #50

If anything, I hope this will normalize union wages (if not union MEMBERSHIP) for Dem campaign CTyankee Jul 2019 #105

Putting union in place was not only about stopping the "young" and not so young men harassing silentEcho Jul 2019 #107

Interesting way of putting this. Sanders pays more than any other Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #13

Good post. Intellectual honesty is so refreshing. Princetonian Jul 2019 #17

Biden pays more. lapucelle Jul 2019 #130

When I made my post, I was referring to Biden's summer internship volunteer pay in Philly. Princetonian Jul 2019 #131

Perhaps if one doesn't know what other candidates are paying, lapucelle Jul 2019 #132

Aim your schooling to Nanjeanne, whom I quoted. Princetonian Jul 2019 #133

One should use quotation marks when quoting others, even if one is quoting misinformation. lapucelle Jul 2019 #134

One should read a thread before commenting. It's the intellectually obvious thing to do. Princetonian Jul 2019 #135

My comment was to you, not a reply to the OP. lapucelle Jul 2019 #136

I forgive you. Princetonian Jul 2019 #137

You're forgiven your punctuation error and subesquent ehrnst Jul 2019 #138

Hahahaha! Princetonian Jul 2019 #141

Hit the nail on the head, did it? ehrnst Jul 2019 #145

... lapucelle Jul 2019 #139

.... Princetonian Jul 2019 #142

And if any of them are calling for the same standard, they are also hypocrites Clash City Rocker Jul 2019 #29

There is no hypocrisy. He is paying a weekly or Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #33

Nice Spin BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #110

The annual salary BS is paying is $36,000 which, for a 40-hour work week is $17.30, not over $19.... George II Jul 2019 #143

Sorry, but that kind of math magic doesn't make it ok kcr Jul 2019 #34

As I said we have no idea what the contracts Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #37

We don't have to know what the contract reads. Math is math. kcr Jul 2019 #42

Oh for crickey sake. If they work 6o hours Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #49

Golly gosh ding dong! They're negotiating a contract. kcr Jul 2019 #85

Are they still negotiating or have they already ratified one? MichMan Jul 2019 #92

you say NO STORY? I say Hypocrite !!!! He won't even pay 15 bucks an hour & you support him? trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #63

Oh dear God. Forgive him? For paying $780/week. For paying $40,000+ year. For being the only Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #65

Bernie could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and that poster would defend him BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #111

I agree and that is a very sad observation. trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #114

When I say people have been comparing Sanders to trump Lordquinton Jul 2019 #119

What do the other candidates pay their staff? ehrnst Jul 2019 #99

I understand Beta pays ove 50k, Biden over 48k, Warren and Bittigieg 42K and Sanders 36K. silentEcho Jul 2019 #108

I stand corrected. Obviously everyone pays more than Sanders. Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #112

I don't know everyone's number so I do not know that is a correct statement, but these 4 pay more. silentEcho Jul 2019 #113

Of course it's not a story. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #109

Everything that doesn't cast Bernie in gleaming white light is a non story to you. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #144

Huh. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #15

Nome of the others do either!!!! Autumn Jul 2019 #18

The list of "but look over there" is now so long. At this point this is... SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #19

So deflect to his supporters instead of the discussion that none of the candidates pay 15 an hour. Autumn Jul 2019 #20

There it is again. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #21

And there you are again. Doing what you complain of. Autumn Jul 2019 #22

I'm commenting on the article. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #23

Here. Just like you I'm commenting too! Since I'm done with your deflections about Sanders Autumn Jul 2019 #24

Yes. You are commenting. The nature of your comments is to deflect. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #25

Same old same old and keep a spare. Somethings never change no matter how new they are. Autumn Jul 2019 #27

More deflection. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #28

Ironically enough, that you allege so in others. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #38

Here's a bumper sticker for you. "None of the candidates pay 15 an hour." Autumn Jul 2019 #43

Whataboutism runs rampant here at times mcar Jul 2019 #32

ROFLMAO.. "Hypocrite media"?? No, Hypocrite Bernie. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #36

He's DOES the one that deserves the exposure for it. I posted the news & I'm glad it is out there trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #95

Have other candidates recommended that the work week be extended to six days? ehrnst Jul 2019 #40

None of the others have made $15/hour a cornerstone of their campaigns, and none of the others.... George II Jul 2019 #59

+100000000. ehrnst Jul 2019 #39

Hmm...I see a pattern there. George II Jul 2019 #57

Bernie's mouthpiece, Nina Turner, needs to do some explaining. nt oasis Jul 2019 #26

Bernie's mouthpiece, Nina Turner, needs to BE FIRED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #64

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2019 #30

boy... myohmy2 Jul 2019 #35

No. nt DesertRat Jul 2019 #41

That's Ridiculous.. It's BS' Workers who Cha Jul 2019 #44

They are really exposing Sanders! Interesting. R B Garr Jul 2019 #47

Yes, BS' own workers are exposing Cha Jul 2019 #51

Agreed! They did deserve it. This is disqualifying R B Garr Jul 2019 #55

If only! Cha Jul 2019 #60

maybe... myohmy2 Jul 2019 #67

Tell it to BS' workers. Cha Jul 2019 #75

From my twitter feed Nanjeanne Jul 2019 #61

The Workers are the ones who leaked Cha Jul 2019 #66

sanders is unhappy Gothmog Jul 2019 #68

So much for civility that has been called for Lordquinton Jul 2019 #69

"..Civility.."? Yes "..hyocrisy.." Cha Jul 2019 #100

Thank you for posting this Gothmog Jul 2019 #115

"Civility" no Lordquinton Jul 2019 #118

BS and BdB not civil smearing other Dems Cha Jul 2019 #121

Who and who? Lordquinton Jul 2019 #125

Keep kicking the thread. Cha Jul 2019 #126

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2019 #116

And people are not being civil Lordquinton Jul 2019 #117

sanders is grumpy and unhappy Gothmog Jul 2019 #74

sanders is ALWAYS grumpy and unhappy trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #94

That's what I want too, trueblue.. Cha Jul 2019 #101

He was a little bit busy running around the country doing revolution to notice. betsuni Jul 2019 #78

The hourly workers are being paid at least $15 per hour. Eric J in MN Jul 2019 #79

Bernie Sanders responds to complaints staff don't earn $15 an hour TomCADem Jul 2019 #82

By comparison look at Hillary's treatment of her workers in 2016: comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #83

Thank you for posting this! betsuni Jul 2019 #86

Ditto! Nt spooky3 Jul 2019 #104

ImWithHer oasis Jul 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #84

Having trouble understanding this MichMan Jul 2019 #88

Bigger issue to me: WHY has he chosen the KIND of people he has? Hortensis Jul 2019 #89

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jul 2019 #90

If they want media attention they could always picket the Detroit debate I suppose MichMan Jul 2019 #91

Yeah for Beto Gothmog Jul 2019 #97

Yikes! Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #102

KICK! Cha Jul 2019 #103

sanders is not paying $15 a hour Gothmog Jul 2019 #106

Thanks for that, Goth! Cha Jul 2019 #129

Bureaucracy, Not Hypocrisy - Sanders Offered To Fix This Months Ago - Problem Now Solved corbettkroehler Jul 2019 #124

Yep Go Vols Jul 2019 #140

That's what millionaires do. democratisphere Jul 2019 #127