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RockRaven

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80. This is asinine -- McConnell is not going to work with Biden any more than he worked with Obama...

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Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:21 AM

Aug 2019

And Biden+VP are not going to succeed at pulling individual Repuke Senators away from McConnell any better than Obama+Biden did -- which is to say "not at all when doing so made a meaningful difference."

And if anyone wants to object that Biden was talking about more just than the Senate, well working with the "other team" is fucking pointless in the House because you never need more than the simple majority. You either have it, and you get your shit done, or you don't and the other side owns the Speakership and pulls a McTurtle-style maximal-obstructionist act. Does Biden not remember how Boehner and Ryan operated?

If Biden wants to say something conciliatory about Republican *voters*, that would be one thing. Maybe that's a campaign strategy of some kind, to court GOPers who have soured on Trump. But he didn't. He talked about *Capitol Hill*. That means *elected Repukes*, not the people who voted for them.

Biden should stick to explanations of the advantages of a Biden presidency which are based in reality. Calling Congressional GOPers "decent people" is a goddamned lie -- Democratic candidates should leave that behavior to Trump.

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Has he paid attention at all during the past 10 years? LonePirate Aug 2019 #1

Either he's delusional or he thinks this is the best way to become president. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #10

Of course, that's Biden's Strategy.. he Cha Aug 2019 #62

Did someone just say that a Democratic vice president wasn't paying attention lapucelle Aug 2019 #244

Yeah, not too smart. Cha Aug 2019 #376

If anyone here thinks that this election can be won Butterflylady Aug 2019 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Aug 2019 #141

I think you are making a valid and realistic point! at140 Aug 2019 #309

no, not really qazplm135 Aug 2019 #325

Turning out the base in larger numbers than we saw in 2016 is the key to winning in 2020. Period. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #331

There are some who definitely live in a bubble. Even Sanders not that long ago was still_one Oct 2019 #478

Or just get them to not vote for Trump dansolo Dec 2019 #496

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #121

. RandiFan1290 Aug 2019 #127

Fair enough but I'm not the one calling him delusional... Joe941 Aug 2019 #133

And you should take your ageist slurs elsewhere as well. lpbk2713 Aug 2019 #138

Delusional as in dump delusional? Yeah self delete. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #493

Got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #58

Wonderful! DonaldsRump Aug 2019 #2

I'm praying he meant, "There are a lot of really God awful Republicans out there" and misspoke. TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #495

Look, Joe, saying this is not good. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2019 #3

I know Joe means well... but, geez, it's not good is right! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #60

"Sad to see." BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #353

Why couldn't the Dems get 60 Senate votes to break filibusters then? House of Roberts Aug 2019 #4

Thought the same thing. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #246

And it has only gotten worse. JudyM Nov 2019 #484

List please rpannier Aug 2019 #5

Can someone who voted Republican for two-thirds of their life until 1996 be a good, decent person? Princetonian Aug 2019 #95

Of course rpannier Aug 2019 #119

I understand. Liz has gotten good and decent Republicans to co-sponsor her bills. She would know. Princetonian Aug 2019 #135

I see your point, andf maybe they would. Maybe not. But, I still want to see a list of who they are rpannier Aug 2019 #137

Anyone who compares repubs of 1996 to what's going on now is delusional Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #222

the poster is being very disengenuous about Warren, see post 428 Celerity Aug 2019 #430

Thank you for that great post! Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #433

YW, and feel free to use anything I post whenever/wherever you wish Celerity Aug 2019 #434

This! eom BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #482

If you are referring to Warren, you obviously have done very little research or are just Celerity Aug 2019 #428

Wow that slammed the door on that "tactic" Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #432

and yet it is still being done, exact same rot Celerity Aug 2019 #462

Yep, I tried to answer it the other day on another thread Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #463

I stepped in and back-filled for you on that one (you had mentioned me in your initial reply) Celerity Aug 2019 #464

Thanks, that was some great information Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #465

I think it madness to viciously attack other candidates, it only hurts our chances to beat Trump Celerity Aug 2019 #466

They made a choice loyalsister Aug 2019 #179

Agree 100% SharonClark Aug 2019 #205

The good people who see nothing, hear nothing, speak nothing, and defend Trump at every turn. dalton99a Aug 2019 #6

He also dissed the Democratic challenger delisen Aug 2019 #454

no, there IS NOT Skittles Aug 2019 #7

Is someone who volunteered for Goldwater & was/voted Republican until 1996 NOT A GOOD PERSON? Princetonian Aug 2019 #94

it's what you are *NOW* that counts Skittles Aug 2019 #389

this is flat out rubbish, Warren did not volunteer for Goldwater and the only Repug POTUS candidate Celerity Sep 2019 #468

Joe Biden is one of the very few that can and will reach across the aisle democratisphere Aug 2019 #8

Yes. elleng Aug 2019 #53

Yeah! He might even put a few in his cabinet SharonClark Aug 2019 #215

Doubtful. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #217

You never know what you might find in the rethuglicon closet. democratisphere Aug 2019 #236

Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #301

Got to start somewhere. democratisphere Aug 2019 #341

Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #314

The same ones who are going to vote for Warren's and Sanders' Medicare-for-all. Boom!!! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #344

To be fair, Sanders consistently says BlueWI Aug 2019 #456

The Public Option, even if we hold the House, and take back the Senate by say 51-49 or so, will not Celerity Sep 2019 #469

Good points as usual! BlueWI Sep 2019 #470

thanks, and I take zero pleasure in playing the role of the pessimist, our healthcare system Celerity Sep 2019 #471

Here we go. Our daily dose of Biden Bashing. George II Aug 2019 #9

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #11

What does this OP contribute on a site named "Democratic Underground"? Don't understand the point. George II Aug 2019 #25

It pushed public opinion to favor other candidates in the primary. LonePirate Aug 2019 #35

This isn't going to hurt Biden. It'll just be one more trivial complaint by people opposed to him highplainsdem Aug 2019 #40

+1000 Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #47

Not likely at all nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #67

What is wrong with getting the other side to vote for you and my brother is GOP still love him Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #268

Thanks - you are a voice of reason! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #346

All designed to divide us, and it is working...I know who is doing it on twitter and HERE Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #279

Sounds like cuts to "entitlements" to me. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #12

Biden will never cut Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. You are taking a leap. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #20

"Entitlements", which is a right wing term anyway, aren't even mention anywhere here. George II Aug 2019 #27

Well, of course it does.. but you're wrong. Cha Aug 2019 #37

I'm baffled. What logic did you use to get to that conclusion? SharonClark Aug 2019 #218

Sounds: That's what happens when we hear rather than listen. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #445

The are either cowards or willingly complicit in the attempted murder of democracy. pangaia Aug 2019 #13

Nobody here knows 1/10000000 what Joe knows about Congress so I trust him. Princetonian Aug 2019 #14

WTF? Not any more. They are the cult of trump. Not helpful, Joe. And, not true. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2019 #15

These paragraphs are the most important from that article: highplainsdem Aug 2019 #16

+1, Biden obviously realizes there are Never Trumpers R B Garr Aug 2019 #17

Biden is optimistic about getting future Cha Aug 2019 #31

Yes! They are not going anywhere, so poaching a few of R B Garr Aug 2019 #38

Hi RB! Cha Aug 2019 #39

"why don't you all go home then, man" jberryhill Aug 2019 #18

Whole lot better than some of the language I see thrown around on social media. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #22

Obama does, too. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #29

That's right.. I remember Pres Obama Cha Aug 2019 #33

That's funny jberryhill Aug 2019 #34

"If you start off with the notion there's nothing you can do, well why don't you all go home then,.. Cha Aug 2019 #19

C'mon man, rational and sensible interpretation? What are you thinking? George II Aug 2019 #28

He is right. But he should save this rhetoric for the general election if he is the nominee. Chemisse Aug 2019 #113

So then if it had been Andy823 Aug 2019 #171

Of course NOT! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #197

Agree! For Biden to just immediately say all repubs area shit and not going to consider them?? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #191

I like the second paragraph in that quote treestar Aug 2019 #438

Great OP. Joe is a real statesman who knows how to build a coalition government. Princetonian Aug 2019 #21

That it did. Obama sent Joe in to negotiate--and Joe helped Obama get done what he wanted doing. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #24

USED to be, Joe. Used to be. You want to invite them in now? Because they always leave our ancianita Aug 2019 #23

I'll take build on Obama's legacy please. Nt BootinUp Aug 2019 #26

The Legacy that those 'good' republicans are successfully tearing apart? SharonClark Aug 2019 #229

The legacy that will help BootinUp Aug 2019 #330

That's what Americans want to hear. betsuni Aug 2019 #30

Most of the non-voters I know think both parties are the same Ponietz Aug 2019 #42

Yes, I shouldn't have said voters, I changed it. I meant Americans in general. betsuni Aug 2019 #44

And that's why Biden is leading in all of the national polls... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #46

yeah, no candidate who is actually running for office is going to say something different. JI7 Aug 2019 #56

Then how come he's the only one say this? melman Aug 2019 #57

because he gets more republican votes than others JI7 Aug 2019 #61

Like the BlueWave House Victory in Cha Aug 2019 #64

+10 to the 256th power. MineralMan Aug 2019 #223

Because he knows there will come a day when those 1-2 gop votes may mean the difference Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #262

Oh my goodness melman Aug 2019 #32

Sure... why there's Bob Dole, Dick Lugar, Arlen Spector... lots of them jberryhill Aug 2019 #36

Two of them are dead TSIAS Aug 2019 #82

Our closely-guarded narratives often force us to cherry-pick. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #446

Case in point - Joe helped to convince McCain (a decent Republican) to "thumbs down" the repeal of Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #41

Yes, we have Obamacare bc Biden Convinced Cha Aug 2019 #48

+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #54

+1,000,000 ucrdem Aug 2019 #85

Well, Republicans are an awful lot!!!!! Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #43

Adam Parkhomenko melman Aug 2019 #45

Joe was VP for 8 years. Parkhomenko presided over a failed presidential campiagn. Princetonian Aug 2019 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #59

Merrick Garland. delisen Aug 2019 #70

Yeah, Biden couldn't make moscow mitch Cha Aug 2019 #87

Joe was not referring to Moscow Mitch, who is why Republicans have been intimidated. Princetonian Aug 2019 #109

McCain.. We ACA bc Biden convinced McCain to vote NO.. Cha Aug 2019 #49

i guess if you include the dead ones going back to Lincoln JI7 Aug 2019 #50

Biden carries a big unity stick. How refreshing! Deb Aug 2019 #52

Good way to put it, Deb.. "Biden carries a big Cha Aug 2019 #63

good and republicans should never be used in the same sentience. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #55

How did that "grand bargain" with Obama and the Rethugs work out? Capt. America Aug 2019 #65

Instead of saying.. ".. there's No hope for Cha Aug 2019 #66

smart !! We need to get the small fraction of Republicans who are 1/2 sane ! Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #68

It's called good politicking !!!! nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #494

Biden believes what he said... VarryOn Aug 2019 #69

What I find amusing is when Sanders said pretty much the same thing a while back, many of the still_one Aug 2019 #71

Was thinking exactly the same thing. betsuni Aug 2019 #72

I would expect some of the more "outraged" in this thread will be disappointed indeed if any still_one Aug 2019 #74

+1 BootinUp Aug 2019 #79

Link? Lordquinton Aug 2019 #81

Its there, but I will give you a better link where Sanders doesn't think trump voters are racists, still_one Aug 2019 #83

Interesting indeed Joe941 Aug 2019 #98

I was never comfortable with the 'deplorable' label. Chemisse Aug 2019 #114

I agree. It may be "feel good" catharsis for one's followers, but generalizations still_one Aug 2019 #123

Voters vs legislators. Not the same to. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #255

Can we make it to 400 posts? There's still time. TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #390

Fascinating. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #490

"There's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there," myohmy2 Aug 2019 #73

This is Biden's consistent message. Would you recommend Sanders to say that there's an awful lot Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #76

Yes! myohmy2 Aug 2019 #134

"I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist..." LanternWaste Aug 2019 #447

Sorry but no, no. Intimidated? Leave the damn party. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #75

Who are you suggesting to "leave the party"? still_one Aug 2019 #84

Fine, but that shouldn't be a major campaign theme for any Democrat BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #77

To be fair - they are an awful lot jberryhill Aug 2019 #78

This is asinine -- McConnell is not going to work with Biden any more than he worked with Obama... RockRaven Aug 2019 #80

Who says moscow mitch is definitely going to Cha Aug 2019 #88

Well, Senator Sanders' idea to get McConnell to do the right thing is to hold rallies. betsuni Aug 2019 #89

He wants their votes. I get it . Laffy Kat Aug 2019 #86

He has a point; unfortunately, MOST of them are dead... hlthe2b Aug 2019 #90

Warren found "really good" Republicans to co-sponsor her bills and has a good record of doing this. Princetonian Aug 2019 #96

What if Joe was/voted Republican until 1996? Princetonian Aug 2019 #91

Were they also intimidated from 2008-2015? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #92

Without Joe, ObamaCare would be dead. He spoke to McCain until they were both crying... Princetonian Aug 2019 #93

Again, all these wonderful Republican legislators Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #149

Um, Collins and Murkowski also saved ObamaCare. Princetonian Aug 2019 #178

ok so we are down to 2 breathing legislators Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #247

Discussing how he would build legislative consensus at a private fundraiser is not "pandering". Princetonian Aug 2019 #348

Bingo SharonClark Aug 2019 #208

Oh Joe... Joe941 Aug 2019 #97

Bernie voted with Republicans against undocumented immigrants. Princetonian Aug 2019 #100

What is appalling is bidens praise and working with segregationists Joe941 Aug 2019 #102

Bernie must agree w/Joe. He voted w/Republicans against undocumented immigrants. Princetonian Aug 2019 #104

Is this like his praising his working relationship with segregationists? Joe941 Aug 2019 #99

Bernie has a working relationship with Republicans who voted against undocumented immigrants. Princetonian Aug 2019 #105

Trying to make this about Bernie huh? Joe941 Aug 2019 #106

Joe, Bernie & Elizabeth must agree on this. They have all worked with Republicans. Princetonian Aug 2019 #107

There's nothing else. Autumn Aug 2019 #148

Talking about Steyer's bid for POTUS? Princetonian Aug 2019 #272

Talking about how people who don't want to discuss their candidate always deflect to another. Autumn Aug 2019 #364

Speaking of support, what's Steyer polling at now? A hard 0.5%? Princetonian Aug 2019 #384

It's all good. A lot of candidates are just as low or lower. The race has just begun. Autumn Aug 2019 #407

Hi Joe, I believe you were the one that changed the subject Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #263

Why Bernie Sanders Loves the Most Conservative Man in the Senate (by Daily Beast) Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #122

Sad to say I have many republicans in my family but they are not horrible people. FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #101

Do they support tRump? Joe941 Aug 2019 #103

Yes some of them still support trump we just stopped talking politics FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #116

I hear ya... Joe941 Aug 2019 #117

I understand that they're family, but if they STILL support Trump, an open racist... NNadir Aug 2019 #228

Yep, I have same situation. honest.abe Aug 2019 #111

Are they legislators? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #152

Thank you for the clarity when some try to muddy the water. SharonClark Aug 2019 #211

Yes, thank you!! It is a dangerously wrong perspective Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #267

When Joe said there are good Republicans out there - obviously he meant those around the country. Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #350

Er no, he was specifically referring to legislators. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #382

+1 Celerity Aug 2019 #467

still waiting for that list, lol Celerity Nov 2019 #483

This will help us in the general. honest.abe Aug 2019 #108

Ok Joe Afromania Aug 2019 #110

Agree 100% SharonClark Aug 2019 #240

+10,000 BlueWI Aug 2019 #455

I don't think it's an act - it's who he really is Locrian Aug 2019 #457

Remember Joe, kacekwl Aug 2019 #112

He is out of touch with the current state of the gop Joe941 Aug 2019 #115

Actual Republican Senators: "We have worked with Joe Biden and would do it again." Gothmog Nov 2019 #488

Wrong. gordianot Aug 2019 #118

Bobby Kennedy trusted Joe McCarthy enough to work for him and attend his funeral. Princetonian Aug 2019 #130

I know the story. gordianot Aug 2019 #139

LOL! You're still trying to deflect from Biden's statement. SharonClark Aug 2019 #237

No, I was trying to prove a point subtly. Princetonian Aug 2019 #352

there is nothing to gain by saying that. good grief Kurt V. Aug 2019 #124

Not scaring away Rwpublican and Independent voters you'll need in the GE? brooklynite Aug 2019 #125

That's a myth. the data isn't there to back this claim. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #126

The same myth that won us the House in 2018... brooklynite Aug 2019 #132

in 2018 there was a surge of democratic voters. There was also a surge in republican voters. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #143

Independents float both ways. Joe could capture some of them with comments like this. honest.abe Aug 2019 #439

only 8-12% of the electorate are true indies. the rest lean right or left and vote accordingly. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #443

I understand your point. For sure its a delicate balance between capturing some indies/moderates.. honest.abe Aug 2019 #444

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurt V. Aug 2019 #146

STOP POSTING THE HILL sharedvalues Aug 2019 #128

good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #129

He's living in the past Bettie Aug 2019 #131

Joe was not referring to Moscow Mitch. Princetonian Aug 2019 #136

McCain is long gone Bettie Aug 2019 #186

I hear you but what Republicans does Liz think will vote for MFA? Princetonian Aug 2019 #351

Agree!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #270

Maybe. They don't get elected, though, because the GOPer voters only want racist pigs in office. Hoyt Aug 2019 #140

Moderate Republicans and right-leaning independents in the Philly suburbs are key to winning PA. Princetonian Aug 2019 #150

Horseshit. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #156

I have volunteered w/the local Democratic party in Pittsburgh and Philly since 2007. Princetonian Aug 2019 #166

Thanks, Joe, for reaching out to good Republicans like McCain who saved the ACA. Let's never forget! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #142

McCain is dead. He was the last "good" one. Autumn Aug 2019 #144

Collins and Murkowski are still alive. Also, because of them we have Obamacare and deserve credit Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #147

Yeah they have been a big help in keeping drunk rapists off the SC court and keeping Autumn Aug 2019 #151

They almost never vote against their party Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #153

And for sure!! Let's vote them all out. That would be the idyllic way.. one can hope Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #416

If only Joe had seen the Republican in action during Obama's term and since Trump's. Oh wait.... Autumn Aug 2019 #145

How does Tom Steyer plan to win votes much less govern? Princetonian Aug 2019 #154

Does Steyer matter? He has nothing to do with the discussion about Joe and his decent Autumn Aug 2019 #163

Of course he matters. You allegedly support him. What is his position on working with Republicans? Princetonian Aug 2019 #170

We will find that out at the debate. His main past position has been spending millions getting Autumn Aug 2019 #173

Why on earth would Joe tell us their names? So they can get primaried and/or pilloried? Princetonian Aug 2019 #176

That's a silly reply. We are Democrats, I think we all know what the Republicans are. Autumn Aug 2019 #207

What is sillier are anonymous bloggers that demand names!! Keep demanding. Princetonian Aug 2019 #269

I'm demanding nothing, I asked who these good Republicans are. Bloggers? Autumn Aug 2019 #368

You'll find out long after Steyer exits the race. Princetonian Aug 2019 #381

Steyer exiting the race will reveal who these "awful lot of good Republicans" are? . Autumn Aug 2019 #385

It remains to be seen. No one...especially mr. Biden or for that matter any of our candidates are Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #415

It really can't remain to be seen. It's being presented as fact that Autumn Aug 2019 #419

You are right it is an unknown. So, why close the door to the unknown? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #427

I'm not closing any door. Can you point out these really good Republicans? Autumn Aug 2019 #429

No where in my posts did I say I KNEW there were some really good repubs out there. You are twisting Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #452

I didn't say you KNEW there were some really good republicans out there. Biden said that. Autumn Aug 2019 #459

If they're MF45 supporters, I certainly hope so. theaocp Aug 2019 #209

Liz would not agree. She has a good track record of having them co-sponsor her legislation. Princetonian Aug 2019 #271

so the decent republicans have to be secret decent republicans? questionseverything Aug 2019 #375

Do you remember what happened to NJ Gov. Christie's standing in the GOP after Barack praised him? Princetonian Aug 2019 #402

christy who should of gone to jail ovr bridgegate? questionseverything Aug 2019 #417

Not my point. Anyone Joe names will be primaried so do not expect him to do so. Princetonian Aug 2019 #424

Joe saw them in action during Obama's term and he still took a chance on McCain. Was he wrong to Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #155

One vote from one dead Senator. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #157

The ACA is important to me and millions of others. I will forever be grateful for that "one vote." Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #161

Sure. Now about working with all these Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #162

Senators Collins and Murkowski. They will always work with Democrats to deny any future repeal Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #165

Your open trust of those two is noted. theaocp Aug 2019 #199

You can kill the messenger if you want, but things do change. You cannot stop progress Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #276

Well for sure we can't count on McCain. I'm of the mind that his thumbs down Autumn Aug 2019 #172

Your words: "If Joe tearfully pled with him, good for him". No - good for millions of us Americans. Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #355

Ignore what McCain had to say about it. Since his intention was to not save Obamacare Autumn Aug 2019 #366

Joe described what happened the night with McCain before the vote. Your insinuations are funny. Princetonian Aug 2019 #386

That's straight from McCain. One of them good republicans I guess? It's not my insinuation. Autumn Aug 2019 #397

So... if the legislation was passed what's the difference? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #410

Well McCain didn't "walk into hell for a heavenly cause." saving Obamacare was not his goal Autumn Aug 2019 #412

What's the difference? If you don't like what I say, why keep responding? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #453

As long as it's insisted McCain voted to save the ACA because he's a "really good republican" Autumn Aug 2019 #458

No Joe, there are not. SamKnause Aug 2019 #158

That might have been true 2-3 years ago... SidDithers Aug 2019 #159

It wasn't true then either. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #164

Oh dear. If that is the case dear Joe, why didn't you work your miracle and get Merrick Garland Ninga Aug 2019 #160

Merrick Garland will get that hearing in 2021, under President Biden. Better late than never... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #167

we lost the majority for generations so no not better late questionseverything Aug 2019 #379

If Garland is a replacement for any of the liberal justices then Biden will be a one term president. Ace Rothstein Aug 2019 #440

Moscow Mitch is not one of the good ones. Warren got good Republicans to co-sponsor her bills. Princetonian Aug 2019 #168

Your point about a miracle is exactly why we need to keep that door open to that 1 good repub Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #329

He's right. They are an awful lot. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2019 #169

Joe is CORRECT..... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2019 #174

It's called smart politics. You would think that would be a little more understood and UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #200

This!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #289

He's right Bayard Aug 2019 #175

I assume there still are. gibraltar72 Aug 2019 #177

Loudest Republican voice against 'send her back' in Wisconsin is a congressman from Trump country. Princetonian Aug 2019 #180

Republican Speaks Out Against ICE Princetonian Aug 2019 #181

I understand this is a tactic to get votes, but he can't actually believe that. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #182

It is all perspective. Republican voters could the same about naming good Democrats. Princetonian Aug 2019 #185

Oh please. Leave the false equivalencies to the media. Seriously, name 5. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #188

Sorry, your viewpoint is in the minority in this country. I am making a sensible statement. Princetonian Aug 2019 #192

Name "an awful lot of really good Republicans" in Congress. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #195

D'oh. Joe won't name names so his future allies will get primaried and/or pilloried. Princetonian Aug 2019 #214

I'm still waiting for you or anyone else to name even 3 "really good Republicans" in Congress. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #227

Wait no more. Don't move the goalpost. Princetonian Aug 2019 #250

See post #249 regarding your first link. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #257

Even broken clocks are right twice a day. Warren and Bernie work with Republicans too. Princetonian Aug 2019 #265

Yes, a sensible statement..thank you Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #281

Which "really good Republicans" will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #308

What Republicans does Warren think will vote for MFA? Princetonian Aug 2019 #349

Former Republican Federal Prosecutors Speak Out Against President Trump's Obstruction of Justice Princetonian Aug 2019 #183

Biden isn't talking about former federal prosecutors. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #198

Good of them to speak out. I applaud them for going on the record. Princetonian Aug 2019 #388

It's call Politics flamingdem Aug 2019 #184

Ex-GOP lawmakers call on Republicans to speak out against Trump Princetonian Aug 2019 #187

EX is the operative word SharonClark Aug 2019 #232

Just say no to the Status Quo nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #189

Nebraska lawmaker, a Republican, says his own party enables white supremacy Princetonian Aug 2019 #190

IF a Democrat wins in 2020, that Democrat will have to work with repbublicans Gothmog Aug 2019 #193

Another Republican Speaks Out Against Trump Princetonian Aug 2019 #194

GOP leaders speak out against torture after Trump comments Princetonian Aug 2019 #196

Democrats need to LEAD forward, not look fondly back to the past... polichick Aug 2019 #201

Obama/Biden 2008-2016 defined "forward" - Biden will beat Trump, move forward with a LOYAL VP. Princetonian Aug 2019 #204

2008-2016 are now in the past - it's a whole new world... polichick Aug 2019 #213

Senate Republicans speak out against Trump's shutdown: "A lot of unneeded stress on a lot of people" Princetonian Aug 2019 #202

Now, Newest Reality Aug 2019 #203

So let's see if this lowers his polling scores. MineralMan Aug 2019 #206

Of course not. That doesn't mean what he said is based in reality. It most definitely isn't. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #210

Winning the election is goal number one, isn't it? MineralMan Aug 2019 #219

Tell us how Pres. Garrett78 gets legislation passed w/o GOP allies in a divided Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #221

Name these GOP allies. Name these "really good Republicans" who will work with a Dem. president. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #231

No, it is not a tactic. It was a "gotcha" media moment at a fundraiser. Here are more than "ONE!"... Princetonian Aug 2019 #248

Occasionally opposing Trump out of self-preservation is all it takes to qualify as "really good?" Garrett78 Aug 2019 #249

Moving the goalpost deflection. Got it. Princetonian Aug 2019 #254

I've not moved any goalpost, nor have I deflected. Nice try, though. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #261

Yes, you have moved the goal post more than once Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #295

Explain. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #299

You went from asking to have good repubs named to saying you know it's a political tactic Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #317

Huh? I'm not sure you know what moving the goalposts means. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #320

Zing! Princetonian Aug 2019 #347

yes, it is a low bar, but I'm here to tell ya, who ever our candidate is, they better damn well be Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #392

I'll believe it when I see a mass movement of republicans speaking against Trump Politicub Aug 2019 #212

Ask Warren. She got good Republicans to co-sponsor bills with her. Princetonian Aug 2019 #216

I don't have a direct line to Warren, as wonderful as that would be. Politicub Aug 2019 #220

Yes, it would be wonderful. Warren would tell you that Joe is right because... Princetonian Aug 2019 #230

Decent people do NOT vote party line when party line involves racists. NNadir Aug 2019 #224

Loudest Republican voice against 'send her back' in Wisconsin is a congressman from Trump country. Princetonian Aug 2019 #233

OK, there's one. Where are the rest of them who Joe considers "decent?" n/t NNadir Aug 2019 #235

Joe is not going to publicize their names to save them from being primaried but here are more... Princetonian Aug 2019 #245

I don't know. It sounds a bit like Nixon's 1968 "secret plan" to end the war in Vietnam. NNadir Aug 2019 #326

Tell me how a Democratic President can pass legislation through a divided Congress w/o GOP allies? Princetonian Aug 2019 #399

We can't pass legislation with the Republicans in power in any house. NNadir Aug 2019 #436

Maybe he is indeed just speak to that one... the one he can persuade when it comes to saving Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #286

Every Time I Hear Someone Compliment Republicans For Bipartisanship and Vogon_Glory Aug 2019 #225

If true, why not persuade them right now to get McConnell to fix election infrastructure & guns? JudyM Aug 2019 #226

Because it isn't true and everybody knows it. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #243

Joe was being Joe at a private fundraiser. There was no tactic involved, just honesty. Princetonian Aug 2019 #391

Can't think of ONE! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #234

Loudest Republican voice against 'send her back' in Wisconsin is a confressman from Trump country. Princetonian Aug 2019 #241

We need the country to get to one party like CA... VarryOn Aug 2019 #238

To all those bashing Joe:Tell me how your candidate will pass legislation w/o GOP allies in Congress Princetonian Aug 2019 #239

How'd that work out from 2010-2016? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #251

Not answering the question. Deflection noted. Princetonian Aug 2019 #258

There aren't GOP allies in Congress. That's the whole point. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #252

Not answering the question. Ignoring the names I sent you? Deflection noted. Princetonian Aug 2019 #259

LOL. I've not ignored your posts. I've responded directly to each of them. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #260

Tell me how your candidate will pass legislation w/o GOP allies in Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #282

There aren't any GOP allies in Congress. You keep missing that point. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #284

Joe knows more than you do about governing the United States. Princetonian Aug 2019 #287

I see that you've completely given up on the original argument. That's a wise move. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #303

Tell me how a Democratic President can pass legislation w/o GOP allies in a divided Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #319

Name these GOP allies. If you can't, then your statement is based on a false premise. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #322

You will see when Joe is POTUS and Harris is back in the Senate. Princetonian Aug 2019 #332

I'm just glad you gave up on naming a single "really good Republican." A wise move on your part. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #334

Murkowski. And the ones that co-sponsor Warren's bills. Princetonian Aug 2019 #338

Murkowski makes Manchin seem somewhat liberal. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #339

She helped save ObamaCare/ACA and made life better for hundreds of millions of people. Princetonian Aug 2019 #343

If you want to believe that a vote or two makes someone a "really good" person or that... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #361

Oh... I will be patiently waiting for that reply as well! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #283

Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t TCJ70 Aug 2019 #312

The same ones Liz thinks will vote for MFA. Princetonian Aug 2019 #387

True. liberalmuse Aug 2019 #242

Oh no, Joe ArcticFox Aug 2019 #253

If they are so good, why are they still Republicans? vlyons Aug 2019 #256

You know that, I know that, and even Biden probably knows that. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #266

Tactics, schmatics. Joe was being Joe. He was at a private fundraiser not at the Iowa State Fair. Princetonian Aug 2019 #288

Obvious reason...gerrymandered districts? at140 Aug 2019 #313

+1000 Princetonian Aug 2019 #335

Ummm folks it is called trying to get the other side to vote for you...and what is wrong with that? Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #264

As long as people recognize that it's a tactic to win votes and nothing more, fine. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #273

lol... Joe already had all the votes at that fundraiser. Princetonian Aug 2019 #275

Um, I'm talking about votes in next year's primaries. People don't vote at fundraisers. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #277

Sigh. The OP is all about him talking at a private fundraiser. Princetonian Aug 2019 #285

Which makes the praise for Republicans all the more glaring melman Aug 2019 #290

Joe is talking about how to govern in order to pass legislation. That is a POTUS' primary focus. Princetonian Aug 2019 #297

You've given up on naming "really good Republicans" and resorted to an absurd argument. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #291

Tell me how a Democratic POTUS would pass legislation w/o GOP allies in a divided Congress. Princetonian Aug 2019 #302

And....that has nothing to do with desiring to stop the feuding and doing something for this country Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #292

You can't work with "the other side" TDale313 Aug 2019 #274

Well said. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #278

So how would a Democratic President pass legislation in a divided Congress? Princetonian Aug 2019 #280

We need the Senate back. TDale313 Aug 2019 #293

I agree. How does it look so far? You sound like you know what you are talking about. Princetonian Aug 2019 #300

I hope the country is not that badly divided at140 Aug 2019 #342

Name one Cartoonist Aug 2019 #294

Yeah, I've concluded that this was a gaffe. He meant to say Republicans are "an awful lot." Garrett78 Aug 2019 #296

Well, when Harris repeatedly implied Joe is a racist, it wasn't a gaffe. Princetonian Aug 2019 #305

She didn't, actually. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #311

Rhetoric 101. "I don't believe you're a racist, but..." means you're about to imply he's a racist. Princetonian Aug 2019 #318

12 republicans voted against the tax bill! Google is your friend at140 Aug 2019 #345

Bookmarked. Princetonian Aug 2019 #357

A little clarity Cartoonist Aug 2019 #374

Basically tax cuts at a time of exploding deficits is crazy at140 Aug 2019 #423

Only because it didn't go far enough Cartoonist Aug 2019 #437

Hey Joe randr Aug 2019 #298

He can't. Nobody can. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #306

The three Republicans who crossed the aisle to save ObamaCare from Trump. Princetonian Aug 2019 #377

You keep swinging and missing. A vote or two, generally out of self-preservation, does not... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #378

Purity tests mean sh*t to those whose ObamaCare was saved due to bipartisanship. Princetonian Aug 2019 #380

You keep making the same absurd argument while ignoring why it's absurd. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #383

Joe was being Joe. The absurdity is your determination to reduce what Joe said to a cheap trick. Princetonian Aug 2019 #393

Snopes rates that claim as False Celerity Oct 2019 #472

It is refreshing to hear the top Democratic candidate revmclaren Aug 2019 #304

+1000 Princetonian Aug 2019 #310

Which President Obama stated repeatedly when dems and the fight picking media came down on him hard Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #321

Exactly... revmclaren Aug 2019 #328

The purist thing here is stubborn empedocles Aug 2019 #307

It Looks Like Biden is Living in the Past dlk Aug 2019 #315

Liz has GOP co-sponsors for her bills and Bernie votes with them on anti-immigrant legislation. Princetonian Aug 2019 #323

Working with Republicans on Legislation is Not the Same dlk Aug 2019 #327

It is the same premise. You try to get the other side to vote with you. Princetonian Aug 2019 #333

I See it as a Version of ..."there's very fine people on both sides ..." dlk Aug 2019 #336

Joe said it at a private fundraiser when he was likely asked how he could pass legislation as POTUS. Princetonian Aug 2019 #340

I Like Joe, However, I Think He Has a Blind Spot When it Comes to Republicans dlk Aug 2019 #460

That could not be farther from the truth Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #403

Given the Degree of Republicans' Many Crimes, Joe's Comments Gives Them a Pass dlk Aug 2019 #461

Being pragmatic in getting legislation passed is different than promoting the other side dlk Jan 2020 #499

You win elections by expanding the electorate, not shrinking it. Gothmog Jan 2020 #498

MA currently has a Republican governor and has sent several to Congress. ucrdem Aug 2019 #316

And there's a good lot of awful Republicans. C_U_L8R Aug 2019 #324

+1000 Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #404

Oh. The good GOPers are just spineless, sniveling cowards. But Biden can work with them. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2019 #337

Joe spent all night asking McCain to vote NO to save ObamaCare/ACA. That was a BFD for hundreds... Princetonian Aug 2019 #354

Boom!! Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #359

Biden supports lsewpershad Aug 2019 #356

Discussing how to reach legislative consensus is sensible and expected at a private fundraiser... Princetonian Aug 2019 #360

+1000 love the jif of Obama by the way, althou he had to many times placate repubs he never Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #396

Could you give some examples of how you think Mr. Biden is supporting trump? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #401

Most of them are six feet under. Sneederbunk Aug 2019 #358

Exactly. When I lived in Oregon, I'd hear people say the Mark Hatfield Republicans are no more. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #362

Three Republicans helped save ObamaCare/ACA which was a BFD to hundreds of millions of Americans. Princetonian Aug 2019 #369

A vote or two, no matter how significant, does not make someone a "really good" person, nor... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #371

Americans who've ObamaCare thanks to bipartisanship don't care about purity tests for goodness. Princetonian Aug 2019 #373

No one is defending what they the gop are doing. No one. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #394

Some live. Warren values reaching across the aisle and finds Republicans co-sponsors for her bills. Princetonian Aug 2019 #365

That was then lettucebe Aug 2019 #363

Liz has a very good track record of reaching across the aisle & getting finding GOP co-sponsors. Princetonian Aug 2019 #367

No Thank You Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #370

Are you or anyone you know benefitting from ObamaCare/ACA? Princetonian Aug 2019 #372

Sorry to interrupt your dialog, but yes I do. What I find interesting is some people prefer to still_one Aug 2019 #395

Oh my gosh.. a voice of sanity.... thx for you thoughtful post Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #400

I am going to print this ACA history lesson out for my son. Bookmarked too. Princetonian Aug 2019 #409

the 60 vote thing is an senate rule and we could of changed it if we actually wanted good healthcare questionseverything Aug 2019 #418

If we have the majority still_one Aug 2019 #420

which we did in 2008 questionseverything Aug 2019 #422

September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010. Four months and ten days. betsuni Aug 2019 #431

the Constitution doesnt say anything about filibusters questionseverything Aug 2019 #448

The filibuster is here to stay Gothmog Nov 2019 #487

Please name one candidate running for the Democratic nomination who has said they won't try to work still_one Aug 2019 #398

Bookmarked for many a future REALITY CHECK Princetonian Aug 2019 #405

Thanks still_one Aug 2019 #408

Take another bow. Princetonian Aug 2019 #413

You are overdoing it, but you are being very nice still_one Aug 2019 #414

Bookmarked, as well... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #426

Wow! A lot of energy expended in this thread! True Dough Aug 2019 #406

Obviously people have a lot of free time still_one Aug 2019 #411

I look forward to this same level of energy being expended in the GE as it relates to canvassing and Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #441

That is better than saying Trump voters are doc03 Aug 2019 #421

Joe hasn't lost his charm... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #425

Bookmarked. revmclaren Aug 2019 #435

Here is some interesting polling Gothmog Aug 2019 #442

In this day and age I don't mind that he said this if he really doesn't mean it. N/T theophilus Aug 2019 #449

Jill Biden-Joe will win this electiom Gothmog Aug 2019 #450

I do wish he'd be positive about his fellow Democrats-- dawg day Aug 2019 #451

I agree with Ellen Gothmog Oct 2019 #473

I agree with 'working' with Republicans. I don't agree with Ellen. Politicians empedocles Oct 2019 #479

Virtually all Republican white evangelical Protestants (99%) and Republicans Celerity Oct 2019 #474

Is this supposed to make Biden look bad? redqueen Oct 2019 #475

Biden will win because he doesn't try to eradicate the other side. He offers them a way out. PubliusEnigma Oct 2019 #476

They were intimidated when Obama was President, too BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #477

Weld said Trump's strongest opponent is Biden because "he's a lunch-pail Democrat Gothmog Oct 2019 #480

The good ones BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #481

Being in the Senate all those years, he knows more of them treestar Nov 2019 #485

Key Republicans say Biden can break Washington gridlock Gothmog Nov 2019 #486

this thread is not ageing well, lolol, regardless of the desperate attempts to rationalise this tosh Celerity Nov 2019 #489

there is some evidence that Mr. Biden can connect with these voters. Gothmog Dec 2019 #491

Poll: GOP voters drawn to Biden more than other 2020 Democrats Gothmog Dec 2019 #492

Joe is getting support from Republicans Gothmog Jan 2020 #497

Joe Bidens NH team announces '100 NH Independents for Biden Gothmog Jan 2020 #500