Democratic Primaries

PatrickforO

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115. I have to share this!

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

Sep 2019

Yesterday, I went to my Uncle R's 100th birthday party.

Spoke to a number of family members I rarely see, and who I know to be independent voters, and a couple whom I knew to have voted for Trump in '16.

With the exception of one cousin, they were all disgusted with Trump, thought Biden too old (sorry, but that's what four of them actually said), and expressed support for either Warren or Harris. Seriously.

I think Biden's support is soft. We'll see how he does in the early states, but we should DEFINITELY not be afraid of running Warren or Harris. And, as you point out, Warren is quite effective at explaining complex issues to uninformed people, clearly and compellingly.

Anyway, I have long rejected the argument that people are too stupid to understand complex issues. That 'stupidity' is actually being uninformed because of incomplete reporting by corporate media and the deterioration of our K-12 system due to corporate meddling disguised as 'concerned Christianity.' Explain a complex issue to them and most can actually 'get' it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Only a Biden nomination will allow us to take back the Senate too [View all] 5starlib Sep 2019 OP

I disagree. blm Sep 2019 #1

What evidence do you have...the states we need to take seats in the Senate are moderate...a left Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #4

I trust Warren to explain the value of having a HEALTHY CAPITALISM that blm Sep 2019 #12

Aye Aye jcgoldie Sep 2019 #25

because even some GOPs love him !!!!!!! trueblue2007 Sep 2019 #56

yeah right jcgoldie Sep 2019 #77

You underestimate the difficulty of convincing the Mid West or the South that her policies are not Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #27

Lol. So you say. I grew up in Ohio and live in N.C. blm Sep 2019 #38

Put it this way: Warren is exciting to moderates too. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #41

Warren will SAVE capitalism and make it work blm Sep 2019 #45

Not if you want to win the presidency and the senate. She will not win a general IMHO. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #124

I'm not convinced Biden can win a general election, unless he continues to adopt Bernie's... DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #134

This, every single bit of it. ms liberty Sep 2019 #85

I'm not so sure of that Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #86

No, she doesn't. She speaks in plain language and blm Sep 2019 #93

I haven't heard that yet. Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #94

Did you miss the Debates? sacto95834 Sep 2019 #120

She supports MFA and all sorts of expensive stuff that will be perceived as socialist... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #108

I have to share this! PatrickforO Sep 2019 #115

Great share blm Sep 2019 #116

We will not win with Sen. Warren IMHO...she may well win the popular vote...the idea that Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #125

Please show some restraint. blm Sep 2019 #128

I fear that she can't win the rust belt. She is only even with Trump in WI. Biden is up 9 redstateblues Sep 2019 #131

You know, I really like Katie Porter too. She's really great. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #40

Porter is my favorite of the freshman congress. blm Sep 2019 #54

Yes love her. LakeArenal Sep 2019 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Sep 2019 #11

I've been here so long everyone knows I love Biden. They also blm Sep 2019 #24

That's my position as well griffi94 Sep 2019 #53

I'm thinking, like you, that if Warren is our nominee, people will flock to the polls. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #17

Not in the states we need. Butterflylady Sep 2019 #19

I disagree. Whoever is telling you to believe that blm Sep 2019 #29

She will not win MI, PA or WI...this means an electoral college loss... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #126

Warren I like very much Butterflylady Sep 2019 #23

No republicans are going to vote for Joe Biden jcgoldie Sep 2019 #26

"You" have a good record? That syntax reads that you have a good reocord grantcart Sep 2019 #52

Yeah, yeah blm Sep 2019 #58

100%. nt Kahuna7 Sep 2019 #2

States are already working to take back the Senate. wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #3

I believe he is the only one who can help in Arizona and Colorado. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #6

nope squirecam Sep 2019 #20

Oops meant Colorado...Corey Gardner...we need to take that seat...a moderate will help in Colorado. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #22

Oh, no! A gaffe by a Biden supporter! UncleNoel Sep 2019 #88

Well that's it I made a gaffe...it is over for me. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #107

Gardner's seat is already lost. in this time of hyper partisanship some races are getting easier to Kurt V. Sep 2019 #31

I hope not...I see no path in the senate without this seat. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #36

my bad on the wording. Gardner has already lost his seat. Kurt V. Sep 2019 #39

I don't think that is true. He is a sitting senator and has an advantage. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #127

Its true. the old prediction models have been surpassed by data modeling. google Kurt V. Sep 2019 #130

"Belief" GB_RN Sep 2019 #59

GB RN sacto95834 Sep 2019 #121

Only a Warren nomination will allow Dems to take back the senate Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #5

But why? I have a theory that has to do with the electorate...what would attract Arizona voters to Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #7

The same qualities that caused this Democratic Congressman to switch from Sanders to Warren. pnwmom Sep 2019 #16

We are talking about the Senate...that is statewide race. Arizona is red maybe turning purple...sure Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #18

I think Arizonans prefer candidates with intellect, capacity, and heart, pnwmom Sep 2019 #28

I don't see it that way...it is a moderate to conservative state...McCain wasn't a liberal by any Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #34

Healthy capitalism that unrigs the financial system WILL win. blm Sep 2019 #42

They won't be calling our nominee a Socialist. Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #66

Those voters aren't voting for ANY Dem. blm Sep 2019 #67

I don't trust that anyone who voted for Trump Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #69

Heh. And I think I'M cynical. blm Sep 2019 #73

I did not call Warren a socialist...I said a perceived socialist...and you can talk all you want...a Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #109

Apparently, you think Arizonans prefer heartless, incompetent dummies pnwmom Sep 2019 #44

Given the choice between a perceived socialist and Trump...the voters we need will choose Trump or Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #110

Do you have evidence that most Arizonans perceive her as socialist? I know that's a word pnwmom Sep 2019 #117

She has been very clear about her positions...MFA and free college etc...the right is already using Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #118

Free public education at any level isn't socialist. Neither is universal healthcare. pnwmom Sep 2019 #119

It is not what I think or you think but she either gets the tag big spending and taxing label or Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #123

Theory? GB_RN Sep 2019 #68

The scientific method is a different animal...people can have theories about all sorts of things... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #111

Not Hardly NotHardly Sep 2019 #8

Lol... wrong. n/t demmiblue Sep 2019 #9

Haven't read anything about that, but it may happen Obama coattails? Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #10

K&R BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #13

We need strong candidates and big enough resources to take back the Senate Otto Lidenbrock Sep 2019 #14

I disagree. Biden is fine but is one of a group of good candidates. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #15

We are looking at taking seats in red and purple area...in the South and in the west. All of our Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #21

Well, you and I have a difference of opinion. I don't agree with you at all. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #30

All our people are fine candidates.I don't dispute that...like them all...But the electoral college Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #113

Obama Energized The Base With a Clear Vision For the Future DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #32

Pretty much loyalsister Sep 2019 #89

Agreed. n/t MarcA Sep 2019 #92

Obama won the Mid West with Biden's help and won the general...it wasn't his vision...it was Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #114

Cool story...IMO we will take the senate and WH only if our nominee inspires massive turnout Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #33

+1. JudyM Sep 2019 #91

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Sep 2019 #35

Joe is the only Democrat that can win back the rust belt redstateblues Sep 2019 #132

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Sep 2019 #37

No shit, eh? blm Sep 2019 #43

see the thing is, blm Skittles Sep 2019 #48

I'll give it to em straight. Relying on the word ONLY blm Sep 2019 #49

quite frankly, it is insulting Skittles Sep 2019 #50

EXACTLY. blm Sep 2019 #51

Vote blue no matter who Alpeduez21 Sep 2019 #46

👍🏼 blm Sep 2019 #47

I take exception only with the word "only". grantcart Sep 2019 #55

Exactly. Thank you. blm Sep 2019 #61

Sorry but the logic doesn't work... brooklynite Sep 2019 #57

And Tillis is toast in NC blm Sep 2019 #60

My Libertarian grandsons SLClarke Sep 2019 #62

It's the grandsons & daughters who get all hyped up in presidential elections and go MIA..... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #80

Which is why HRC won in 2008 crazytown Sep 2019 #83

That's the problem, they only focus on presidential elections. I remember the 2010 midterms. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author crazytown Sep 2019 #96

if only 2010 had been more like 1994 crazytown Sep 2019 #97

Don't blame Obama. Everyone knows how "excited" millenials have to be to do their civic duty. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #98

And Everyone knows how 'Tough-On-Crime' the 'Obama-Biden' Administration was crazytown Sep 2019 #99

Got it. It's Obama's fault. Thanks. I would never have known. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #100

Smarm becomes you. crazytown Sep 2019 #101

Young folks don't bother to vote? Thanks to crazytown, we now know who to thank...... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #102

Exit Polls - GE crazytown Sep 2019 #103

What part of "midterms" & "MIA" are you struggling with? I thought I was pretty clear. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #104

The bit about it being a reply crazytown Sep 2019 #105

Jeebus H. Christ......... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #106

K&R nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #63

Dems would lose Warren's Senate seat if she is elected. aeromanKC Sep 2019 #64

Another hit and run post. nt Andy823 Sep 2019 #65

LOL LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #70

Nope. lambchopp59 Sep 2019 #71

This is the ONE argument that makes sense for Biden sharedvalues Sep 2019 #72

apparently the OP has chosen to not defend his strong, one could say divisive?, statement TeamPooka Sep 2019 #74

I'm right here buddy... 5starlib Sep 2019 #79

Ha ha. Don't tell me. Tell everybody else disputing your point TeamPooka Sep 2019 #81

Only a Marianne Williamson nomination will keep the moon in orbit. nt Gore1FL Sep 2019 #75

The Wisconsin poll just came out yesterday showing Biden beating Trump and Warren tied with him... Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #78

Warren is weak in the rust belt. The numbers bear it out redstateblues Sep 2019 #133

you may well be right.n/t Chemisse Sep 2019 #82

Well if Joe wants to PDittie Sep 2019 #84

The Senate is the only thing that matters treestar Sep 2019 #87

You need the presidency and the house as well and in case you havn't looked at a Senatorial map, we Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #129

... Scurrilous Sep 2019 #90

just not true HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #112

Joe Biden is our strongest candidate Gothmog Sep 2019 #122

The hardest job for the next president may be fixing Trump's mess Gothmog Sep 2019 #135

Joe is the best candidate to help the Democratic Party retake control of the Senate Gothmog Sep 2019 #136