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52. Okay, let's be clear

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 06:52 AM

Sep 2019

When Joe Biden was working with segregationist senators like Eastland in the 1970s to get legislation passed, Elizabeth Warren was a Republican. Having come of voting age in 1970, she would presumably have cast a vote for Richard Nixon, who famously made racist comments, conducted a dog whistle racist campaign in the South, and advocated theories that equated race with IQ. And she would have presumably voted for Gerald Ford (who probably was not so racist), Ronald Reagan, who compared Africans to monkeys, and George HW Bush, with his Willie Horton ad.

Whether she herself held these views (and it’s quite possible she did not), by affiliating herself with the Republican Party until the mid 1990s, she was enabling senators and presidents to promote racist policies.

So can we forget the gaffes and call it even?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Elizabeth Warren praises a segregationist...major gaffe [View all] 5starlib Sep 2019 OP

lets not do this. Biden is doing well in the polls you should be happy about that JI7 Sep 2019 #1

She attacked Biden for "praising" a segregationist 5starlib Sep 2019 #3

but the attacks on Biden are not working. you should just laugh at those attacking him . JI7 Sep 2019 #4

Fair's fair. AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #2

So you're criticizing Warren for not knowing something this woman said in her 70's or 80's pnwmom Sep 2019 #5

Fine if she didn't know, but she needs to make a statement about it 5starlib Sep 2019 #6

I don't think she needs to apologize for something this woman said in a very long, obscure interview pnwmom Sep 2019 #10

What an excuse! treestar Sep 2019 #39

She was born in 1880, and there is no evidence that she ever worked with segregationists pnwmom Sep 2019 #41

Now it is a "nuanced" double standard NYMinute Sep 2019 #55

Compare here how well Biden knew he was working DIRECTLY with segregationists mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #78

He was in the senate ... it was his JOB nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #119

No double standard. Blue_true Sep 2019 #141

Sorry as we have seen with the 50 year old issue of bussing ...nothing is too obscure. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #74

This!! Both comments should not be of issue here Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #83

The critical difference is that Biden was fully aware of the segregationist goals of the racists pnwmom Sep 2019 #142

Let me illustrate the difference for you. Politicub Sep 2019 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author True Blue American Sep 2019 #8

Excellent post. Blue_true Sep 2019 #139

Come on, that was a different era True Blue American Sep 2019 #7

The woman was a racist, period. 5starlib Sep 2019 #9

There is a HUGE difference between that woman and Eastland or Talmadge. pnwmom Sep 2019 #11

So you're fine with Warren praising her? 5starlib Sep 2019 #12

I don't think it's fair to hold Warren responsible for having known every utterance pnwmom Sep 2019 #14

lol ok Loki Liesmith Sep 2019 #30

Do you understand that Perkins was born in 1880? Slavery ended in 1865. pnwmom Sep 2019 #38

LOL. treestar Sep 2019 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author NYMinute Sep 2019 #57

The biggest difference is that Biden 100% knew exactly the stances of the men he spoke of mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #81

Yes, but his goal was to find votes for needed legislation Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #87

And considered them the lowest of the low...he didn't praise them...as Warren did...we don't know Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #99

There is a difference between praising active segregationists and Blue_true Sep 2019 #145

+10000 Celerity Sep 2019 #146

But it is OK to hold Biden to such a standard I suppose. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #75

Biden bragged about how he had worked with two people he KNEW were active racists pnwmom Sep 2019 #79

And? I would have worked against bussing too...as the Senate was full of this sort- many were Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #100

So why doesn't Warren apologize and move on? 5starlib Sep 2019 #98

I doubt her racism Mz Pip Sep 2019 #66

And I must point out that Biden said the segregationists were the worst of the worst and yet he Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #76

What legislation, for the good of the people, did VP Biden... tonedevil Sep 2019 #96

I have no idea...and don't care...but you can look it up...very different from today I imagine. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #116

Since the reason given for... tonedevil Sep 2019 #118

Long time ago ...different world...same sort of world Frances Perkins whom Warren praised Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #120

Are you saying... tonedevil Sep 2019 #128

What a ridiculous standard we set if we eliminate people ... LAS14 Sep 2019 #111

Warren praised her for actions that had nothing to do with segregation. Blue_true Sep 2019 #144

I do not think True Blue American Sep 2019 #15

Those Senators weren't members of the other party, so Biden's statement about successfully pnwmom Sep 2019 #16

Those Senators had completely different ideologies and moral views - let's not be cute. Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #67

It was not obtain votes...period! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #88

No difference? Excuse me but that's silly. yardwork Sep 2019 #26

She was born in 1880. Eastland and Talmadge were born pnwmom Sep 2019 #45

So, given the racist era she was born in makes it highly unlikely that she might have been a racist? Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #70

And Teddy Roosevelt was a eugenics fanatic. Does that make praising the National Parks ehrnst Sep 2019 #110

Her life's work does not say that she was a racist. Blue_true Sep 2019 #143

Not a major gaffe, but a gaffe all the same. Kentonio Sep 2019 #13

Apologize for what? crazytown Sep 2019 #18

As I said its not a major gaffe, but given her comments on Biden and segregationists Kentonio Sep 2019 #19

Please show me any evidence that Perkins ever worked for segregation. pnwmom Sep 2019 #23

Warren said "we should never praise segregationists"... 5starlib Sep 2019 #21

Nope. crazytown Sep 2019 #24

That quote above treestar Sep 2019 #42

That quote is virtually unknown crazytown Sep 2019 #46

Before you quote someone, you've got to check them out treestar Sep 2019 #48

The Francis Perkins foundation was not aware of it, crazytown Sep 2019 #49

Where is the evidence that Perkins, born in 1880, ever worked in the cause of segregation? pnwmom Sep 2019 #25

The Civilian Conservation Corps crazytown Sep 2019 #27

LBJ had racist views. Are we supposed to disown him now? thesquanderer Sep 2019 #60

What? Of course we must... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #86

How about this...She was a segregationist pure and simple. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #80

Where was that "legacy" ever described other than in the oral history interview that your quote pnwmom Sep 2019 #82

I don't see how that matters really...it was out there and the campaign should not have Warren Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #85

It is on twitter... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #101

Nonsense. crazytown Sep 2019 #17

She doesn't want black people in schools with white people 5starlib Sep 2019 #20

"I don't give a damn what she did in her life". crazytown Sep 2019 #22

Really? I don't see now you parse this...at least Biden didn't praise the segregationist senators Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #89

Yes! Did not praise! Was obvious that Biden used them as examples of extremists emmaverybo Sep 2019 #124

Exactly...and Kennedy worked with them too...there was no other choice as they Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #125

Perkins is alleged to have said these things one time, late in life. yardwork Sep 2019 #28

Why don't you care that she never worked to promote segregation? That the only evidence pnwmom Sep 2019 #47

That interview worked against desegregation now didn't it? Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #106

No. /nt tonedevil Sep 2019 #108

We can agree to disagree. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #113

In what way... tonedevil Sep 2019 #115

She said it in a public interview during a time when a controversial court decision which she Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #126

A "public interview" that no one... tonedevil Sep 2019 #130

No. An old woman was asked some questions in the midst of hours and hours pnwmom Sep 2019 #131

Teddy Roosevelt was a eugenics enthusiast. Does that mean praising his national parks initiative ehrnst Sep 2019 #109

Of course we ignore the distemper in our own to better focus on that in others. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #61

Chalk and cheese. crazytown Sep 2019 #68

Cheese and stinky cheese...hehe. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #90

K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2019 #29

She was wrong to take the shot at Biden Cosmocat Sep 2019 #31

And Senators Harris & Booker ? crazytown Sep 2019 #35

Obviously...as Sen. Harris has paid a big price for her attacks as has Booker. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #91

What a "hit job" Botany Sep 2019 #32

Interview "isn't really public knowledge" crazytown Sep 2019 #33

She actually should mention this at least now that it has been brought to her attention wiley Sep 2019 #37

this wont make any difference in her support among POC JI7 Sep 2019 #44

Actually, a recent poll had her leading among Latinx voters BlueWI Sep 2019 #138

It is out there...took me less than a minute to find it... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #92

So now it is ok to post Rupert Murdoch-owned RW trash papers like the Post? Whats next, Fux News? Celerity Sep 2019 #34

Everyone who did a 3rd grade report on Lincoln sure has some apologizing to do. kcr Sep 2019 #64

It is on twitter to from from a dissertation. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #93

Segregationist that needs to be attacked relentlessly. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #36

+ JI7 Sep 2019 #43

Great post!!thx Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #94

Oh yeah this is analogous jcgoldie Sep 2019 #50

Well put Raven123 Sep 2019 #51

Unfortunately, the context and nuance you allow seems candidate-specific. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #62

The situations are not analogous jcgoldie Sep 2019 #65

It was to secure votes!! Politics is a nasty game, you best be willing to get your hands dirty Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #95

Lack of "historical understanding." Wow, apologize for slaveholders much? MadDAsHell Sep 2019 #133

? jcgoldie Sep 2019 #134

Okay, let's be clear frazzled Sep 2019 #52

Nice try BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #56

I don't think it really matters frazzled Sep 2019 #58

K&R nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #53

Desperate nonsense from the NYPOST... GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #54

Which is exactly where all these microscopic gaffe alerts go . . . peggysue2 Sep 2019 #59

This one is really easy. kcr Sep 2019 #63

+ a million! BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #72

No kidding. n/t demmiblue Sep 2019 #77

Gaffes Tend To Reveal Underlying Thinking, What Does This Reveal About Warren? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #69

Biden did not incarcerate Black men...and no one approves of bussing including Harris... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #104

Biden Bragged That The Bill Got 60 Death Penalties And 125,000 New Prison Cells DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #136

It also had the violence agains women bill and gun background checks...it applied to Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #137

Other than one obscure quote BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #71

This is disqualifying...hehe Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #73

Better hope no one mentions Woodrow Wilson Jose Garcia Sep 2019 #84

Oh FFS. Such desperation Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #97

False equivalence. Sorry. Working directly KPN Sep 2019 #102

A lot of people equate any praise of Margaret Sangers fight for female controlled contraception ehrnst Sep 2019 #103

And the OP is a Biden supporter. Surprise, surprise. elocs Sep 2019 #105

Biden apologists in full panic mode over his tiny, shriveled crowd size comparison with Liz Baclava Sep 2019 #117

+1,000 n/t MarcA Sep 2019 #132

Really? The NY Post is considered a source for political analysis now? ehrnst Sep 2019 #107

Groan... tit for tat mudslinging lambchopp59 Sep 2019 #112

Classic and not a bit surprising. People in glass houses and stones and all that. MadDAsHell Sep 2019 #114

Well stated. nt LAS14 Sep 2019 #123

What a whiff of desperation. Politicub Sep 2019 #121

Thomas jefferson Layzeebeaver Sep 2019 #127

Thanks for the short, easy to remember answer to this sort of nonsense. nt LAS14 Sep 2019 #129

If true, I wonder if we'll ever hear a peep about this on MSNBC. They dragged poor Joe's name... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #135

If what is true? tonedevil Sep 2019 #140