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Layzeebeaver

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127. Thomas jefferson

Reply to 5starlib (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 01:16 PM

Sep 2019

Slave owner.

We quote him all the time.

Nuff said.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Elizabeth Warren praises a segregationist...major gaffe [View all] 5starlib Sep 2019 OP

lets not do this. Biden is doing well in the polls you should be happy about that JI7 Sep 2019 #1

She attacked Biden for "praising" a segregationist 5starlib Sep 2019 #3

but the attacks on Biden are not working. you should just laugh at those attacking him . JI7 Sep 2019 #4

Fair's fair. AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #2

So you're criticizing Warren for not knowing something this woman said in her 70's or 80's pnwmom Sep 2019 #5

Fine if she didn't know, but she needs to make a statement about it 5starlib Sep 2019 #6

I don't think she needs to apologize for something this woman said in a very long, obscure interview pnwmom Sep 2019 #10

What an excuse! treestar Sep 2019 #39

She was born in 1880, and there is no evidence that she ever worked with segregationists pnwmom Sep 2019 #41

Now it is a "nuanced" double standard NYMinute Sep 2019 #55

Compare here how well Biden knew he was working DIRECTLY with segregationists mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #78

He was in the senate ... it was his JOB nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #119

No double standard. Blue_true Sep 2019 #141

Sorry as we have seen with the 50 year old issue of bussing ...nothing is too obscure. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #74

This!! Both comments should not be of issue here Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #83

The critical difference is that Biden was fully aware of the segregationist goals of the racists pnwmom Sep 2019 #142

Let me illustrate the difference for you. Politicub Sep 2019 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author True Blue American Sep 2019 #8

Excellent post. Blue_true Sep 2019 #139

Come on, that was a different era True Blue American Sep 2019 #7

The woman was a racist, period. 5starlib Sep 2019 #9

There is a HUGE difference between that woman and Eastland or Talmadge. pnwmom Sep 2019 #11

So you're fine with Warren praising her? 5starlib Sep 2019 #12

I don't think it's fair to hold Warren responsible for having known every utterance pnwmom Sep 2019 #14

lol ok Loki Liesmith Sep 2019 #30

Do you understand that Perkins was born in 1880? Slavery ended in 1865. pnwmom Sep 2019 #38

LOL. treestar Sep 2019 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author NYMinute Sep 2019 #57

The biggest difference is that Biden 100% knew exactly the stances of the men he spoke of mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #81

Yes, but his goal was to find votes for needed legislation Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #87

And considered them the lowest of the low...he didn't praise them...as Warren did...we don't know Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #99

There is a difference between praising active segregationists and Blue_true Sep 2019 #145

+10000 Celerity Sep 2019 #146

But it is OK to hold Biden to such a standard I suppose. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #75

Biden bragged about how he had worked with two people he KNEW were active racists pnwmom Sep 2019 #79

And? I would have worked against bussing too...as the Senate was full of this sort- many were Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #100

So why doesn't Warren apologize and move on? 5starlib Sep 2019 #98

I doubt her racism Mz Pip Sep 2019 #66

And I must point out that Biden said the segregationists were the worst of the worst and yet he Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #76

What legislation, for the good of the people, did VP Biden... tonedevil Sep 2019 #96

I have no idea...and don't care...but you can look it up...very different from today I imagine. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #116

Since the reason given for... tonedevil Sep 2019 #118

Long time ago ...different world...same sort of world Frances Perkins whom Warren praised Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #120

Are you saying... tonedevil Sep 2019 #128

What a ridiculous standard we set if we eliminate people ... LAS14 Sep 2019 #111

Warren praised her for actions that had nothing to do with segregation. Blue_true Sep 2019 #144

I do not think True Blue American Sep 2019 #15

Those Senators weren't members of the other party, so Biden's statement about successfully pnwmom Sep 2019 #16

Those Senators had completely different ideologies and moral views - let's not be cute. Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #67

It was not obtain votes...period! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #88

No difference? Excuse me but that's silly. yardwork Sep 2019 #26

She was born in 1880. Eastland and Talmadge were born pnwmom Sep 2019 #45

So, given the racist era she was born in makes it highly unlikely that she might have been a racist? Skya Rhen Sep 2019 #70

And Teddy Roosevelt was a eugenics fanatic. Does that make praising the National Parks ehrnst Sep 2019 #110

Her life's work does not say that she was a racist. Blue_true Sep 2019 #143

Not a major gaffe, but a gaffe all the same. Kentonio Sep 2019 #13

Apologize for what? crazytown Sep 2019 #18

As I said its not a major gaffe, but given her comments on Biden and segregationists Kentonio Sep 2019 #19

Please show me any evidence that Perkins ever worked for segregation. pnwmom Sep 2019 #23

Warren said "we should never praise segregationists"... 5starlib Sep 2019 #21

Nope. crazytown Sep 2019 #24

That quote above treestar Sep 2019 #42

That quote is virtually unknown crazytown Sep 2019 #46

Before you quote someone, you've got to check them out treestar Sep 2019 #48

The Francis Perkins foundation was not aware of it, crazytown Sep 2019 #49

Where is the evidence that Perkins, born in 1880, ever worked in the cause of segregation? pnwmom Sep 2019 #25

The Civilian Conservation Corps crazytown Sep 2019 #27

LBJ had racist views. Are we supposed to disown him now? thesquanderer Sep 2019 #60

What? Of course we must... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #86

How about this...She was a segregationist pure and simple. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #80

Where was that "legacy" ever described other than in the oral history interview that your quote pnwmom Sep 2019 #82

I don't see how that matters really...it was out there and the campaign should not have Warren Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #85

It is on twitter... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #101

Nonsense. crazytown Sep 2019 #17

She doesn't want black people in schools with white people 5starlib Sep 2019 #20

"I don't give a damn what she did in her life". crazytown Sep 2019 #22

Really? I don't see now you parse this...at least Biden didn't praise the segregationist senators Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #89

Yes! Did not praise! Was obvious that Biden used them as examples of extremists emmaverybo Sep 2019 #124

Exactly...and Kennedy worked with them too...there was no other choice as they Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #125

Perkins is alleged to have said these things one time, late in life. yardwork Sep 2019 #28

Why don't you care that she never worked to promote segregation? That the only evidence pnwmom Sep 2019 #47

That interview worked against desegregation now didn't it? Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #106

No. /nt tonedevil Sep 2019 #108

We can agree to disagree. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #113

In what way... tonedevil Sep 2019 #115

She said it in a public interview during a time when a controversial court decision which she Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #126

A "public interview" that no one... tonedevil Sep 2019 #130

No. An old woman was asked some questions in the midst of hours and hours pnwmom Sep 2019 #131

Teddy Roosevelt was a eugenics enthusiast. Does that mean praising his national parks initiative ehrnst Sep 2019 #109

Of course we ignore the distemper in our own to better focus on that in others. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #61

Chalk and cheese. crazytown Sep 2019 #68

Cheese and stinky cheese...hehe. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #90

K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2019 #29

She was wrong to take the shot at Biden Cosmocat Sep 2019 #31

And Senators Harris & Booker ? crazytown Sep 2019 #35

Obviously...as Sen. Harris has paid a big price for her attacks as has Booker. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #91

What a "hit job" Botany Sep 2019 #32

Interview "isn't really public knowledge" crazytown Sep 2019 #33

She actually should mention this at least now that it has been brought to her attention wiley Sep 2019 #37

this wont make any difference in her support among POC JI7 Sep 2019 #44

Actually, a recent poll had her leading among Latinx voters BlueWI Sep 2019 #138

It is out there...took me less than a minute to find it... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #92

So now it is ok to post Rupert Murdoch-owned RW trash papers like the Post? Whats next, Fux News? Celerity Sep 2019 #34

Everyone who did a 3rd grade report on Lincoln sure has some apologizing to do. kcr Sep 2019 #64

It is on twitter to from from a dissertation. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #93

Segregationist that needs to be attacked relentlessly. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #36

+ JI7 Sep 2019 #43

Great post!!thx Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #94

Oh yeah this is analogous jcgoldie Sep 2019 #50

Well put Raven123 Sep 2019 #51

Unfortunately, the context and nuance you allow seems candidate-specific. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #62

The situations are not analogous jcgoldie Sep 2019 #65

It was to secure votes!! Politics is a nasty game, you best be willing to get your hands dirty Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #95

Lack of "historical understanding." Wow, apologize for slaveholders much? MadDAsHell Sep 2019 #133

? jcgoldie Sep 2019 #134

Okay, let's be clear frazzled Sep 2019 #52

Nice try BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #56

I don't think it really matters frazzled Sep 2019 #58

K&R nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #53

Desperate nonsense from the NYPOST... GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #54

Which is exactly where all these microscopic gaffe alerts go . . . peggysue2 Sep 2019 #59

This one is really easy. kcr Sep 2019 #63

+ a million! BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #72

No kidding. n/t demmiblue Sep 2019 #77

Gaffes Tend To Reveal Underlying Thinking, What Does This Reveal About Warren? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #69

Biden did not incarcerate Black men...and no one approves of bussing including Harris... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #104

Biden Bragged That The Bill Got 60 Death Penalties And 125,000 New Prison Cells DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #136

It also had the violence agains women bill and gun background checks...it applied to Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #137

Other than one obscure quote BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #71

This is disqualifying...hehe Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #73

Better hope no one mentions Woodrow Wilson Jose Garcia Sep 2019 #84

Oh FFS. Such desperation Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #97

False equivalence. Sorry. Working directly KPN Sep 2019 #102

A lot of people equate any praise of Margaret Sangers fight for female controlled contraception ehrnst Sep 2019 #103

And the OP is a Biden supporter. Surprise, surprise. elocs Sep 2019 #105

Biden apologists in full panic mode over his tiny, shriveled crowd size comparison with Liz Baclava Sep 2019 #117

+1,000 n/t MarcA Sep 2019 #132

Really? The NY Post is considered a source for political analysis now? ehrnst Sep 2019 #107

Groan... tit for tat mudslinging lambchopp59 Sep 2019 #112

Classic and not a bit surprising. People in glass houses and stones and all that. MadDAsHell Sep 2019 #114

Well stated. nt LAS14 Sep 2019 #123

What a whiff of desperation. Politicub Sep 2019 #121

Thomas jefferson Layzeebeaver Sep 2019 #127

Thanks for the short, easy to remember answer to this sort of nonsense. nt LAS14 Sep 2019 #129

If true, I wonder if we'll ever hear a peep about this on MSNBC. They dragged poor Joe's name... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #135

If what is true? tonedevil Sep 2019 #140