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Democratic Primaries

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:38 AM Oct 2019

We are about to see a major shift in the primary. [View all]

Sanders is done and Biden is about to fall.

Sanders: Sanders was already on a downward trajectory. His heart attack is going to end any possibility of a comeback. He will continue to raise very large sums of money but he is going to be relegated to the bottom tier of candidates. This will stop any possibility for him to gain any type of meaningful delegates. He will end up with almost none. This is really what he was in for anyway. Going into the convention with some clout. By the time the convention rolls around I am willing to bet that the only clout he will have will be his endorsement, and that will be pretty insignificant at that point.

I do think Sanders is going to stay in until the end. No career politician drops out when they are pulling in huge sums of money. Money is now his power.

Biden: Biden is about to go down to what we have been referring to as second tier candidates. Interestingly enough, considering the front-runner status he has held, that will really just bring more candidates up to the first tier.

This is about optics. Sanders heart attack is going to hurt Biden. It will make people second guess him as a choice. Image is everything. The tactic Trump is using will also have a great impact on Biden. It doesn't matter if people know it is fake or not. People don't want to go into the general with a candidate surrounded by controversy and scandal, and Biden is surrounded by both. His name is in the papers every single day and is attached to Trump. He is being cleared left and right but the coverage is still there. At the present time, I think people are completely done with "but her emails." That is too recent history.

Biden's fundraising haul wasn't all that good. It paints a picture at a time when he is getting hit from every angle.

We now have candidate after candidate, elected official after elected official, coming out to support Biden against Trump. Many are almost doing so more powerfully than Biden himself. Again, back to optics. People are even clamoring for others to come out and fight for Biden. While that should be expected, it doesn't paint a pretty picture. It portrays him as a seventy something year old man who needs help in a fight. People should stop that narrative. Specially when demanding other candidates jump in more forcefully. It has the image of Biden being weak and it is going to hurt him.

"He can beat Trump is not a good slogan." It is based off of so little and all people have to do is put a ding in that one piece of armor. Either by creating doubt or by others polling close to him in head to head match-ups with Trump. This narrative has been built up so much that many people don't think of Biden as someone presenting policy. More that he is simply someone taking on Trump.

Biden's only saving grace will be in an absolute drag out fight for delegates. How many can he get? He is polling great in some states. I think over the next two weeks we are going to see a pretty big dip in his polling. It's still going to leave him in the delegate hunt for those states. I don't think Biden is going to crater like Sanders who will not realize many delegates by the end of the process.



While I have great respect and admiration for many politicians, I don't do the fan club thing. Biden is one of my favorites but I can fully see what is happening and understand the impact of optics in politics. I think Biden has had a great career and if he goes down it won't bother me. He is a great guy and will be just fine in life. I would probably feel differently if we didn't have such a solid field.

My list of ones to watch:

Warren
Harris
Buttigieg
Klobuchar


While Warren will become the clear front runner over the next two weeks, look for the field to become closer as Biden and Sanders supporters shift to other candidates. Warren will be a great front runner but there seems to be a bit of nervousness with many who are eyeing her.

That's what I think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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biden is not going anywhere my friend beachbumbob Oct 2019 #1
I disagree. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #3
Which polls show Biden no longer the front-runner? Please cite support for your claim that his emmaverybo Oct 2019 #12
Here... brooklynite Oct 2019 #78
The investors link concerning TIPP poll contains speculation, but does not show Biden as no longer emmaverybo Oct 2019 #89
Where in Iowa and NH? The delegate count is minsicule. People who live in bubbles, especially beachbumbob Oct 2019 #42
Wait... I'm in the center and I LOVE 💕 Warren! DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #48
I'm curious lambchopp59 Oct 2019 #11
Well stated! True Dough Oct 2019 #51
Oh so true!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #35
based on the data, where he's going is apparently down... brooklynite Oct 2019 #77
this shows you are correct Celerity Oct 2019 #106
Trump Biden Ukraine narrative isn't moving Democratic voters Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #116
HarrisX and Morning Consult are outlier polls with poor methodology nt Celerity Oct 2019 #118
He has already gone further from where he started. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #79
If that happens, expect one or two to break free of the pack and challenge Warren. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #2
I agree with this. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #4
That's where I am at. Not shooting at any of the candidates. Should blm Oct 2019 #8
There are at least three threads right now attacking Biden by Warren supporters, Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #24
Agree!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #117
"It's wrongheaded to attack any of them. I wish people could see that. " emulatorloo Oct 2019 #80
The Report of Biden's Demise has been Exagerated UncleNoel Oct 2019 #5
I haven't read many reports of his demise. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #7
Tongue in cheek refering to this post. UncleNoel Oct 2019 #33
Things will shake themselves out as they must do Sherman A1 Oct 2019 #6
It's really no longer early. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #9
I disagree Sherman A1 Oct 2019 #15
I don't think it all has to be decided right now. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #18
But Sherman A1 Oct 2019 #54
I'm not sure why you are confused. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #55
I agree with you Sherman A1 FM123 Oct 2019 #27
You might be right about Sanders because of the heart attack but Biden is not going anywhere. brush Oct 2019 #10
The primaries aren't the real polls. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #13
Polls are not votes and can easily be manipulated by pollsters with agendas. Only votes are votes. brush Oct 2019 #16
I've never argued to the contrary. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #19
Posters have been predicting Biden's "imminent" demise for months now. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #14
I have never predicted his demise before. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #17
Just another hit piece on Biden...more wishful thinking...how about this. Warren Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #20
I don't see this as a hit piece on Biden. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #22
That's your story and you're stickin' to it! LanternWaste Oct 2019 #23
Pretty easy to stick to. Really straight forward. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #26
I see it as both. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #68
That is your thought to hold. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #71
That is not correct, no supporters of a candidate call themselves "fans" emulatorloo Oct 2019 #82
Why can't Warren connect with AA voters? 58Sunliner Oct 2019 #25
I have no idea why...maybe because over the years she never reached out and now they Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #45
Linking those issues is a statistical reality. 58Sunliner Oct 2019 #86
AA voters I know personally...want the same things we want and resent being Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #97
Warren gets 'dramatic shift' in support from black voters progressoid Oct 2019 #58
The polls wasn't there that showed that...many of us looked.Thus, it was debunked. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #70
So Biden didn't go down 6 pts while Warren went up 9 with Black voters since August? progressoid Oct 2019 #83
Actually no...I would sugest you look at those polls closely. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #98
Hmm...OK...looking... progressoid Oct 2019 #120
That's hopeful. I don't know who I prefer, but my options are open. 58Sunliner Oct 2019 #84
She will have to get Congress behind her. She will have to build consensus beyond the progressive emmaverybo Oct 2019 #103
If you think Harris has a chance - 58Sunliner Oct 2019 #21
I think Harris probably has the smallest chance out of the four I mentioned. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #28
Sanders was already on a downward trajectory. mikeysnot Oct 2019 #29
Uh, no left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #30
Yes, I am serious about Biden. We are already seeing the trend. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #32
The trend in polls the last couple of days all give Biden a double digit lead Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #36
9/26 - 10/3 TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #40
Cherry picking means picking ONLY the data which supports an hypothesis. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #65
Did you know that those are the current top polls at RCP. I took them in order as displayed. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #66
Those polls were cherry picked for Warren's benefit...wait for it...when the media Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #72
RCP cherry picked polls for Warrens benefit? TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #74
I have seen no such trend...the polls that are valid and have pollsters without a Warren Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #46
There's only one person who can turn Ohio blue Gothmog Oct 2019 #91
I hope your wrong because Biden is our best candidate to win swing states njhoneybadger Oct 2019 #31
This is one of my reasons for having Biden at the top of my list. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #34
No it won't-the GOP will win if Biden is not the candidate...I am convinced none of our candidates Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #47
That doesn't make any sense. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #50
Latest polling shows Biden with 7 points on Trump, Warren with 2, behind Sanders with 4, and emmaverybo Oct 2019 #56
Thank you for that. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #57
It makes perfect sense when you consider that Trump will go for an Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #67
He doesn't only need three states. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #69
He will hold the states he won in 16...which are deep red...but the blue Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #73
The three states argument isn't "accurate." TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #76
What about the purple/pink states? Rstrstx Oct 2019 #115
I would not count on any of those states....every election we think they will turn but the don't. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #123
Biden is the only candidate who is ahead of trump outside margin of error Gothmog Oct 2019 #92
That is one state. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #93
That is one of the key states that we need to flip Gothmog Oct 2019 #94
Except for one election we have won it since 84. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #95
Without Wisconsin, trump will have a hard time Gothmog Oct 2019 #99
Bernie is headed to the "Bottom Tier" ? ritapria Oct 2019 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author iamateacher Oct 2019 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #39
Wishful thinking tidal wave. FloridaBlues Oct 2019 #41
No wishful thinking here. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #43
If tRump is allowed to oust Biden with lies, Bayard Oct 2019 #44
Trump has nothing else. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #49
But but but...it helps Warren so it is OK to team up with GOP nonsense. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #75
"Controversy and Scandal" is what Trump does Baked Potato Oct 2019 #52
Biden is not going anywhere Gothmog Oct 2019 #53
I don't think he is going anywhere. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #62
Poll: Biden holds 24-point lead over Democratic field among black voters Gothmog Oct 2019 #63
Solid lead with a very important subset of voters. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #64
as Biden would say, buncha melarky onetexan Oct 2019 #59
Biden's lock on SC and the south in general is his firewall. honest.abe Oct 2019 #60
Very very hard to disagree with this in any way. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #61
which is wild when you consider none of those states will go for biden or any democrat Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #107
I guess you dont understand the purpose of the primary process. honest.abe Oct 2019 #110
i guess I'm right. if these states aren't going to even have a chance to elect a democrat Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #111
Clearly you are confused about the primary process. honest.abe Oct 2019 #112
There are Democrats in every state. They have a voice wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #113
Yet another daily earth-shattering, surging, major shift treestar Oct 2019 #81
I really think that it is too early BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #85
While my thoughts on Biden moving forward... TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #87
I think that you are probably more BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #88
Biden continues to perform better than Warren in head-to-head match-ups against Trump Gothmog Oct 2019 #90
1 Million Calls To Voters AFTER Sanders' Heart Attack corbettkroehler Oct 2019 #96
I wouldn't count Biden out just yet, but you make excellent points. cwydro Oct 2019 #100
Donald Trump has abused the foreign policy of the United States to extract personal, political favor Gothmog Oct 2019 #101
i don't agree with the timeline but completely agree with your overall assessment. Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #102
meh... RazBerryBeret Oct 2019 #104
Absolutely true. Also: Bernie for Sec of Labor sharedvalues Oct 2019 #105
You may be right but it sucks. mahina Oct 2019 #108
I really like the field. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #121
Go Joe.... LakeArenal Oct 2019 #109
What about Booker? ecstatic Oct 2019 #114
Excellent banter in this thread, a testament to the Dem voter base debate process lambchopp59 Oct 2019 #119
One major flaw in your analysis. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #122
Given, yet it's only one of the potions in their bag of tricks lambchopp59 Oct 2019 #124
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