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In reply to the discussion: Every Woman Noticed That Infuriating Elizabeth Warren/Joe Biden Debate Moment [View all]highplainsdem
(62,592 posts)10. This woman noticed it, and I found Warren's behavior infuriating. I thought she
came across as petty and snarky.
I know she doesn't like Biden. She's been sniping at him in print since 2002, and in her 2003 book she suggested he shouldn't even be given credit for the Violence Against Women Act, shouldn't be viewed as helping women, because she disagreed with him on bankruptcies.
This is what she wrote about him in 2003, as explained in a Mother Jones article about their "feud" as the magazine calls it, which Warren started:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/the-2020-race-could-revive-a-bitter-feud-between-joe-biden-and-elizabeth-warren/
She took on Biden again in The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Mothers & Fathers Are Going Broke, the best-selling 2003 book she co-authored with her daughter, Amelia Warren Tyagi. Womens issues are not just about childbearing or domestic violence, they wrote. More women with children will search for a bankruptcy lawyer than will seek subsidized day care. And in a statistic with special significance for Senator Biden, more women will be victimized by predatory lenders than will seek protection from an abusive husband or boyfriend.
Warren and Tyagi continued, The point is not to discredit other worthy causes or to pit one disadvantaged group against another. Nor would we suggest that battered women deserve less help or that subsidized day care is unimportant. The point is simply that family economics should not be left to giant corporations and paid lobbyists, and senators like Joe Biden should not be allowed to sell out women in the morning and be heralded as their friend in the evening.
Warren and Tyagi continued, The point is not to discredit other worthy causes or to pit one disadvantaged group against another. Nor would we suggest that battered women deserve less help or that subsidized day care is unimportant. The point is simply that family economics should not be left to giant corporations and paid lobbyists, and senators like Joe Biden should not be allowed to sell out women in the morning and be heralded as their friend in the evening.
Think about that. She resented Biden having received any praise for VAWA.
Despite which he's been fair to her -- much more fair than she's been to him.
I posted an OP yesterday about Jared Bernstein and Austan Goolsbee backing up what Biden said about his role in getting the bill passed that created CFPB.
Warren should give Biden credit. Passing legislation is a team effort. Everyone knows that. But I'm guessing that after so many years of apparent animus toward him, she finds it all but impossible to give him credit. It's apparently galling to her that CFPB would probably never have become a reality, rather than a plan or pipe dream, without his help.
If she had at least acknowledged his help rather than trying to make it sound as if she got CFPB passed by herself when she first started talking about it -- and she was offering that as a counter to what he'd achieved, and she threw in a comment about some Democrats opposing it which could easily have been misread as suggesting he'd opposed it (I don't know whether that was intentional or not, but at that point she should definitely have pointed out that the bill had had Biden's support) -- there would have been no exchange like the one too many people are overreacting to.
Instead, she came across very badly.
I lost a lot of respect for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Every Woman Noticed That Infuriating Elizabeth Warren/Joe Biden Debate Moment [View all]
bluewater
Oct 2019
OP
Biden either misremembered or lied about significantly helping to pass the CFPB.
w4rmaa
Oct 2019
#49
Biden went way over the line. Raising his voice and aggressive hand gestures made it all much worse.
HeartlandProgressive
Oct 2019
#4
This woman has been there, but I see two sides. Biden was clearly hurt by her acknowledgement only
hlthe2b
Oct 2019
#6
You apparently missed the point she was trying to make when she offered, to counter Biden
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#19
We'll never know if she would have thanked them because he interrupted her
bigbrother05
Oct 2019
#43
No. Biden did NOT interrupt her while she was touting her own role. She ran over allotted time
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#81
It is after the outburst I am talking about. Go watch yourself. I understand but BOTH came off badly
hlthe2b
Oct 2019
#65
More whataboutism. I support Bernie because he paved the way for the party to embrace
vsrazdem
Oct 2019
#38
This woman noticed it, and I found Warren's behavior infuriating. I thought she
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#10
No, it was petty and snarky not to acknowledge Biden's help. Whether or not she likes it,
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#13
Saw it. Disagree with it. I thought Warren came across as more paronizing.
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#16
By the time Warren wrote that, she had worked for Dow when they were being
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#83
Saw that. I'll take what Goolsbee and Bernstein remember over The Intercept. And btw,
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#36
Bernstein's and Goolsbee's statements are evidence, just as much as anyone
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#42
Evidence that Biden did nothing memorable to pass it, maybe except for Biden's employees.
w4rmaa
Oct 2019
#73
Woman here...and if Warren and group are going to fall apart at this.. There
Peacetrain
Oct 2019
#20
I think it's a very flawed tactic they are using in response to the negative press.
TidalWave46
Oct 2019
#29
Exactly, she is not ready. I still believe based on polls that Biden is our nominee.
Demsrule86
Oct 2019
#80
See my reply 36 above. Dodd-Frank needed a few Republican votes, two from senators that Biden had
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#39
The lesson I learned was that Repub votes were needed for EW's plan. She couldn't get them - JB did.
Skya Rhen
Oct 2019
#47
According to everybody who actually helped whip votes to pass the CFPB, Biden did NOT help.
w4rmaa
Oct 2019
#53
Jared Bernstein: Biden fought hard to get votes for Dodd/Frank & to make sure Sen Warren's idea
Skya Rhen
Oct 2019
#62
Dodd/Frank is not the CFPB. And I found this as a reply to Biden's former employee:
w4rmaa
Oct 2019
#72
Biden did "Nothing." to win votes for the CFPB, according to the lead author. He was due no credit.
w4rmaa
Oct 2019
#60
The Intercept said there was no Russian interference in 2016. They burned a whistleblower
emulatorloo
Oct 2019
#67
We also notice how differently it's characterized when women and people of color push back AND
StarfishSaver
Oct 2019
#75
I am a woman and I didn't...you can't have it both ways...Biden doesn't have to cater to Warren
Demsrule86
Oct 2019
#79