Democratic Primaries

Blistering Sun

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46. I'd take exception to the idea that the so-called "establishment" candidates...

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 07:39 PM

Oct 2019

don't represent the liberal wing of the party, when that's clearly NOT the case.

Since when do leftists get to supplant liberals as "liberals?"

The amount of "re-framing" being done around political terminology amounts to gaslighting AFAIC.

I realize this is 538's verbiage and not your own. I enjoy reading your posts!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why Black Voters Prefer Establishment Candidates Over Liberal Alternatives [View all] Gothmog Oct 2019 OP

I agree with your starting paragraph. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #1

Here is my take on early states. Blue_true Oct 2019 #13

Thank You For The White-Splaining How Black People Vote DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #2

You do know that the author of this article is Perry Bacon? Gothmog Oct 2019 #6

Wow, you just keep stepping in it. Blue_true Oct 2019 #14

How is Killer Mike's endorsement working for sanders? Gothmog Oct 2019 #16

The point that I was making is that trying to characterize a whole ethnic group's thinking by one Blue_true Oct 2019 #17

Again how is the support of Nina Turner who voted for stein working for sanders? Gothmog Oct 2019 #24

Holy shit. OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #23

THIS n/t Tom Rinaldo Oct 2019 #30

But that's not what the poster said. yardwork Oct 2019 #32

Well then what color person would you like the article to be written by. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #43

It wouldn't matter if the person actively steeps himself or herself Blue_true Oct 2019 #45

Kerry lost...and was attacked by the left during the primary. He was views as establishment. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #11

Kerry's loss was due to being Swift-boated. It was part of the rise of DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #12

Michael Moore and others laid the groundeork fot this...they attacked Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #18

No, sorry. It was a very deliberate campaign by disgusting Republicans in a DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #22

+1 Joe941 Oct 2019 #26

Well said. eom guillaumeb Dec 2019 #76

Maybe you should educate yourself on Cha Dec 2019 #84

Good read from 538!!...thx for posting Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Oct 2019 #5

Interesting. zentrum Oct 2019 #4

This is true of most minorities but AA in particular BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #7

Good points. Blue_true Oct 2019 #19

A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Oct 2019 #25

Turnout is what is important MichMan Dec 2019 #81

Thanks for presenting this article. Let it be said that both Warren and Sanders have had emmaverybo Oct 2019 #8

Thanks! I couldn't have said it better, myself... Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #9

Just to point out ... BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #33

Here is some recent polling on South Carolina Gothmog Oct 2019 #40

Well-written piece n/t PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #10

Explains the recent polls in SC. Strong showing for Biden! lamoustel Oct 2019 #15

Here is a new South Carolina poll Gothmog Oct 2019 #42

Here is the latest SC polling Gothmog Dec 2019 #85

100% on board with the article. oasis Oct 2019 #20

How does South Carolina reflect the demographics of the party as a whole? madville Oct 2019 #21

Great article. Black voters know we don't have the luxury of voting for pie in the sky & unicorns. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #27

I think its all about trust. honest.abe Oct 2019 #28

Biden Tries To Build Super Tuesday Firewall Gothmog Oct 2019 #29

Yikes, That's Not a Good Sign DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #31

Meanwhile in the real world Gothmog Oct 2019 #35

Is Joe Biden actually underrated now? Gothmog Nov 2019 #63

Biden Expands Lead In South Carolina Gothmog Oct 2019 #34

Iowa and NH are flawed, not meaningless. And so, in a sense, is SC. Tom Rinaldo Oct 2019 #36

Biden is a lifelong liberal. Jefferson and Madison were liberals. Hortensis Oct 2019 #37

Biden now at 50% with Black voters in South Carolina Gothmog Oct 2019 #38

Poll: Biden holds 24-point lead over Democratic field among black voters Gothmog Oct 2019 #39

While he has a big lead, that also means that 64% are either undecided or prefer someone else MichMan Dec 2019 #80

Joe Biden is at 61% with African American voters Gothmog Oct 2019 #41

Thank goodness AA folks vote with their HEAD. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #44

Biden has 154 endorsements from current or former black or Hispanic elected officials. Gothmog Nov 2019 #65

I'd take exception to the idea that the so-called "establishment" candidates... Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #46

+1000,000 emmaverybo Oct 2019 #52

How the Democrats' shift to the left indirectly aids Joe Biden Gothmog Oct 2019 #53

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The Democratic Party is a big tent party and not all liberals are the same Gothmog Oct 2019 #55

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Again, the pollster came up with these categories and voters self-identified Gothmog Oct 2019 #57

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We are not in disagreement Gothmog Oct 2019 #59

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The "Democratic establishment" IS liberal. Hortensis Oct 2019 #47

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Lol, how'd I miss your post? A simple +1000 would have done. Hortensis Oct 2019 #49

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:) Hortensis Oct 2019 #51

The most important number in the CNN 2020 poll isn't the one you think it is Gothmog Oct 2019 #61

Black vote in SC in new Qpac poll: Gothmog Nov 2019 #62

Biden does best among African America voters Gothmog Nov 2019 #64

This idea ignores one truth. Jakes Progress Nov 2019 #66

Warren cannot get the nomination with only white voter support Gothmog Nov 2019 #68

Your own words. Jakes Progress Nov 2019 #70

African American vote share in this South Carolina @YouGov poll: Gothmog Dec 2019 #89

You are the one who said "so far". Jakes Progress Dec 2019 #90

Good news.. "establishment" are Cha Nov 2019 #67

K&R Scurrilous Nov 2019 #69

Look at Joe Biden's support Gothmog Nov 2019 #71

This polling explains a great deal Gothmog Nov 2019 #72

Why the headline's denial of our establishment's liberal principles? Hortensis Nov 2019 #73

African American voters are pragmatic which helps Joe Biden Gothmog Nov 2019 #74

'I know Joe's heart': Why black voters are backing Joe Biden Gothmog Dec 2019 #75

At least this is an admission that Biden is the "establishment" candidate. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #77

If Joe Biden...isn't on the ballot in 2020, many older black voters might just stay home, Gothmog Dec 2019 #78

I thought older black voters are the base. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #79

Yes and no. Because of racism, barriers are higher for black voters. MH1 Dec 2019 #86

How Black voters can win the nomination for Biden Gothmog Dec 2019 #82

Dissecting 'the black vote' Gothmog Dec 2019 #83

I'm struggling to accept that Joe Biden, a life-long liberal doesn't count as a "liberal" The Valley Below Dec 2019 #87

There is liberal and extreme liberal according to polling data Gothmog Dec 2019 #88

Here is some recent polling Gothmog Dec 2019 #91