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In reply to the discussion: Just saw that clip of Andrew Yang saying we had interfered with other countries' elections. [View all]Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)94. I'll add a few more in Africa. But speaking of the many ways
the 1962 arrest of Nelson Mandela came following a CIA tip-off.
Patrice Lumumba became the first prime minister of the newly-independent Congo in 1960, but he lasted just a few months in the job before he was overthrown and assassinated in January 1961.
In 2002, former colonial power Belgium admitted responsibility for its part in the killing, however, the US has never explained its role despite long-held suspicions.
US President Dwight D Eisenhower, concerned about communism, was worried about Congo following a similar path to Cuba.
According to a source quoted in Death in the Congo, a book about the assassination, President Eisenhower gave "an order for the assassination of Lumumba. There was no discussion; the [National Security Council] meeting simply moved on".
In 2002, former colonial power Belgium admitted responsibility for its part in the killing, however, the US has never explained its role despite long-held suspicions.
US President Dwight D Eisenhower, concerned about communism, was worried about Congo following a similar path to Cuba.
According to a source quoted in Death in the Congo, a book about the assassination, President Eisenhower gave "an order for the assassination of Lumumba. There was no discussion; the [National Security Council] meeting simply moved on".
Ghana's first President Kwame Nkrumah was overthrown in a military coup in 1966 while he was out of the country.
He later suspected that the US had a role in his downfall and in a 1978 book, former CIA intelligence officer John Stockwell backed this theory up.
He later suspected that the US had a role in his downfall and in a 1978 book, former CIA intelligence officer John Stockwell backed this theory up.
In Angola three competing groups fought for control after independence from Portugal in 1975, with the MPLA under Agostinho Neto taking over the capital Luanda.
Mr Stockwell, chief of CIA's covert operations in Angola in 1975, writes that Washington decided to oppose the MPLA, as it was seen as closer to the Soviet Union, and support the FNLA and Unita instead, even though all three had help from communist countries.
The CIA then helped secretly import weapons, including 30,000 rifles, through Kinshasa in neighbouring Zaire, now known as the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Mr Stockwell, chief of CIA's covert operations in Angola in 1975, writes that Washington decided to oppose the MPLA, as it was seen as closer to the Soviet Union, and support the FNLA and Unita instead, even though all three had help from communist countries.
The CIA then helped secretly import weapons, including 30,000 rifles, through Kinshasa in neighbouring Zaire, now known as the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Hissene Habre failed in his attempt to take power by force in Chad in 1980.
But his efforts led President Goukouni Oueddei to call on help from the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, whose soldiers successfully beat back Habre's challenge and forced him into exile.
A proposed alliance between Libya and Chad began to unsettle the US especially as Gaddafi began to be seen as a supporter of anti-US activities.
In Foreign Policy magazine Michael Bronner writes that the CIA director, with the secretary of state, "coalesced around the idea of launching a covert war in partnership with Habre".
It is alleged that the US then backed Habre's overthrow of the president in 1982 and then supported him throughout his brutal rule.
But his efforts led President Goukouni Oueddei to call on help from the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, whose soldiers successfully beat back Habre's challenge and forced him into exile.
A proposed alliance between Libya and Chad began to unsettle the US especially as Gaddafi began to be seen as a supporter of anti-US activities.
In Foreign Policy magazine Michael Bronner writes that the CIA director, with the secretary of state, "coalesced around the idea of launching a covert war in partnership with Habre".
It is alleged that the US then backed Habre's overthrow of the president in 1982 and then supported him throughout his brutal rule.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36303327
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Just saw that clip of Andrew Yang saying we had interfered with other countries' elections. [View all]
pnwmom
Oct 2019
OP
He had no answer and he totally evaded and clearly could not answer and had no example to give
Pachamama
Oct 2019
#1
Yeah, it seemed like he was just winging it, because he made the comment in the debate
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#3
Then it could be argued that it was a pretty stupid move to repeat Trump talking pats of
Pachamama
Oct 2019
#139
I was *very* unimpressed with his answer to Rachel's question about that.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Oct 2019
#2
Your posts are on point too. Glad to see a few of us know some of the history of our...
brush
Oct 2019
#144
Did we invade their elections systems? How is it we "made sure" they didn't win elections? n/t
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#7
Then that's what Yang should have said, instead of evading the question.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Oct 2019
#19
Maybe he didn't want to throw our mistakes in our face. He said, this hemisphere. Yikes!
Karadeniz
Oct 2019
#10
Or he was just shooting from the hip, spouting off stuff he assumed everyone agreed with.
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#17
The US has a long history or interfering in other's elections, for pete's sake!!...
pangaia
Oct 2019
#15
Not like what Russia did to us, with Trump's help. Where did we break into voting systems
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#18
You're so right. The list is too long, and those are only the ones we know of.
alwaysinasnit
Oct 2019
#27
No, it doesn't. You're suggesting a moral equivalence between Russia and the US.
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#98
there are many ways to influence an 'election' besides hacking voting machines...
pangaia
Oct 2019
#36
Amazing. And I'll throw in overthrows and assissnations of elected presidents, too.
Kind of Blue
Oct 2019
#90
Undoubtedly some cagey trouble maker made sure Trump said that just to throw a wrench into the works
Judi Lynn
Oct 2019
#92
Under Eisenhower, the US overthrew Iran in 1953, followed by Guatemala, in 1954.
Judi Lynn
Oct 2019
#89
So overthrowing elected leaders and training assassins is not as bad as that?
Bradshaw3
Oct 2019
#45
Lots of tragically under-educated folks with really loud opinions chiming in, it seems.
Decoy of Fenris
Oct 2019
#79
It really puts people who are informed in an awkward spot, as they can't educate someone
Judi Lynn
Oct 2019
#87
Whoa! Breaking into voting systems and registrations lists. How about assassinations
Kind of Blue
Oct 2019
#91
What did we do that was comparable to breaking into registration lists and election systems?
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#44
For Trump to assist an enemy of the US to interfere in OUR election was close to treason.
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#62
Some people are much more averse to information that makes them uncomfortable.
Buckeye_Democrat
Oct 2019
#70
Because Trump is using that very argument to justify his helping Russia attack the election.
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#72
Yes, agreed that is the thing. But let's establish facts first about whether
Kind of Blue
Oct 2019
#96
Our aim has been to promote democracy, and yes, especially under R administrations,
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#99
The true irony is that we worked to install Yeltsin as President of Russia (this occurred during the
Celerity
Oct 2019
#104
The Japanese attacked us in Pearl Harbor. If some Americans had helped them attack us,
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#113
I'm till undecided but after that response I know Yang is out of my decision.
blueinredohio
Oct 2019
#114