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MD shmoo

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44. Highlights a core weakness of Warren

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:37 AM

Oct 2019

Sure it's not a good look for Biden, but Trump did worse to Hillary and Obama sometimes was dismissive of Hillary. Didn't stop Trump and probably wouldn't stop Biden - if he loses it will be due to his own flaws and limitations rather than being "mean" to Warren.

It does however point to a key weakness of Warren - having lots of plans and thinking that coming up with an idea is what's important is how a naive college professor thinks. Lots of people in government have plans and good ideas and a POTUS can easily hire dozens if not hundreds of them. Someone who can actually get those ideas translated into political reality is another thing altogether and Biden has demonstrated that skill a hundredfold over Warren. That being said, this is something both Warren and Biden can ponder following this exchange.

“There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit.”

― Ronald Reagan

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Every Woman Noticed That Infuriating Elizabeth Warren/Joe Biden Debate Moment [View all] bluewater Oct 2019 OP

K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #1

He tried to make it about him pattyloutwo Oct 2019 #2

Biden either misremembered or lied about significantly helping to pass the CFPB. w4rmaa Oct 2019 #49

It's a team sport... TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #3

Biden went way over the line. Raising his voice and aggressive hand gestures made it all much worse. HeartlandProgressive Oct 2019 #4

I agree. Ohiogal Oct 2019 #28

this is why representation matters. mopinko Oct 2019 #5

This woman has been there, but I see two sides. Biden was clearly hurt by her acknowledgement only hlthe2b Oct 2019 #6

You have the sequencing wrong BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #8

You apparently missed the point she was trying to make when she offered, to counter Biden highplainsdem Oct 2019 #19

We'll never know if she would have thanked them because he interrupted her bigbrother05 Oct 2019 #43

No. Biden did NOT interrupt her while she was touting her own role. She ran over allotted time highplainsdem Oct 2019 #81

Yeah no. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #45

How do you know he helped get it passed? Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #69

She did NOT only acknowledge Obama whathehell Oct 2019 #56

I like Warren. I don't blame her for reacting. However, hlthe2b Oct 2019 #59

You must have been watching a different debate than I.. whathehell Oct 2019 #63

It is after the outburst I am talking about. Go watch yourself. I understand but BOTH came off badly hlthe2b Oct 2019 #65

Another example of why Biden should not be the nominee. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #7

Yup, because Bernie has never, ever acted in such a way. oasis Oct 2019 #17

More whataboutism. I support Bernie because he paved the way for the party to embrace vsrazdem Oct 2019 #38

I think you confuse paving with bulldozing. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #46

x1000! peggysue2 Oct 2019 #51

Nice spin. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #9

Though I posted a more moderating view, still this makes sense. UncleNoel Oct 2019 #57

This woman noticed it, and I found Warren's behavior infuriating. I thought she highplainsdem Oct 2019 #10

It is news to me BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #12

No, it was petty and snarky not to acknowledge Biden's help. Whether or not she likes it, highplainsdem Oct 2019 #13

Please see response #11! eom BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #14

Saw it. Disagree with it. I thought Warren came across as more paronizing. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #16

We will strongly agree to BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #18

"Petty and snarky'?...Biden YELLED at her, ffs whathehell Oct 2019 #61

Thank you and spot on. cwydro Oct 2019 #48

I find Warren's criticisms very much on point. floppyboo Oct 2019 #21

By the time Warren wrote that, she had worked for Dow when they were being highplainsdem Oct 2019 #83

"I found Warren's behavior infuriating ... petty and snarky." crazytown Oct 2019 #52

See reply 81. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #82

"You did a hell of a job in your job" - Patronizing Much? Modern Fictions Oct 2019 #11

kick floppyboo Oct 2019 #22

An article on The Intercept also backs up what spooky3 Oct 2019 #31

Saw that. I'll take what Goolsbee and Bernstein remember over The Intercept. And btw, highplainsdem Oct 2019 #36

Sorry, I prefer to have evidence. Nt spooky3 Oct 2019 #40

Bernstein's and Goolsbee's statements are evidence, just as much as anyone highplainsdem Oct 2019 #42

Evidence that Biden did nothing memorable to pass it, maybe except for Biden's employees. w4rmaa Oct 2019 #73

Sorry, Goolsbee and Bernstein aren't exactly unbiased Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #71

As opposed, of course, to the totally neutral Intercept... OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #78

That's the moment that jumped out at me. intheflow Oct 2019 #66

Better gird your loins. That won't go over well here. StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #15

Woman here...and if Warren and group are going to fall apart at this.. There Peacetrain Oct 2019 #20

OMG! Fall Apart???? Next, we'll resurrect 'Hysterical'? floppyboo Oct 2019 #25

Woman here too... Biden lost his composure, not Warren. HeartlandProgressive Oct 2019 #26

Funny thing Andy823 Oct 2019 #27

I think it's a very flawed tactic they are using in response to the negative press. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #29

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Oct 2019 #37

LOL @ Anyone Thinking that Warren Might Have 'Fallen Apart' . . OldManTarHeel Oct 2019 #41

Exactly! BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #76

Exactly, she is not ready. I still believe based on polls that Biden is our nominee. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #80

I'm a woman DeterDeter Oct 2019 #23

"You did a good job at your job." aidbo Oct 2019 #32

And? DeterDeter Oct 2019 #33

It was a bizarre moment and made me uncomfortable. Politicub Oct 2019 #24

The sexism here is people acting like the little woman got beat up. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #30

Agreed, Warren is strong and tough as nails. emulatorloo Oct 2019 #35

This is my first presidential primary on this site awesomerwb1 Oct 2019 #34

See my reply 36 above. Dodd-Frank needed a few Republican votes, two from senators that Biden had highplainsdem Oct 2019 #39

Highlights a core weakness of Warren MD shmoo Oct 2019 #44

Well said and without rancor peggysue2 Oct 2019 #64

The lesson I learned was that Repub votes were needed for EW's plan. She couldn't get them - JB did. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #47

According to everybody who actually helped whip votes to pass the CFPB, Biden did NOT help. w4rmaa Oct 2019 #53

Jared Bernstein: Biden fought hard to get votes for Dodd/Frank & to make sure Sen Warren's idea Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #62

Dodd/Frank is not the CFPB. And I found this as a reply to Biden's former employee: w4rmaa Oct 2019 #72

You are wasting BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #77

Nothing burger. 😫 ecstatic Oct 2019 #50

Agree. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #58

This one post and it's comments snowybirdie Oct 2019 #54

Um, no. bluewater Oct 2019 #74

I am not a woman, but I saw this differently. UncleNoel Oct 2019 #55

Biden did "Nothing." to win votes for the CFPB, according to the lead author. He was due no credit. w4rmaa Oct 2019 #60

The Intercept said there was no Russian interference in 2016. They burned a whistleblower emulatorloo Oct 2019 #67

Welcome to DU! Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #68

You are welcome. w4rmaa Oct 2019 #70

Yeah. I need a drink, too, sometimes, as Manley who worked Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #84

We also notice how differently it's characterized when women and people of color push back AND StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #75

I am a woman and I didn't...you can't have it both ways...Biden doesn't have to cater to Warren Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #79

My impression redqueen Oct 2019 #85