Democratic Primaries

pangaia

(24,324 posts)

140. May I suggest you study a little world history.

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 01:22 PM

Oct 2019

Last edited Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:10 PM - Edit history (1)

And I don't mean to sound like a smart ass, but I believe you are focusing on one single detail of how countries (governments, is a better word word) , in this case the US and The Russian Federation, attack each other. And in continuing to focus on and beat that detail, you miss the full picture.

One doesn't have to ONLY, go to a local polling place in the dark of night and steal some pieces of paper with votes on them, or pre-program a computer before an election, or 'hack' into voting systems, that is just too simplistic. Murder, torture, military coups work just as well....
Or, as another example.. just look at the behavior of republican politicians....Their behavior is the intentional overthrow of the US government...!! I mean GERRYMANDERING ! What is that but stealing elections...

IF you were to read about and study the other examples I and others have offered you, you might see some of the horror that has been perpetrated on other peoples by the USA. Is this to say what Russia and other are doing is not wrong? Of course not. I, and others here, are simply pointing out facts. Every person. Every country contains good and bad, behaves well and poorly. The US is no exception.

And do NOT accuse me of spewing 'trump talking points' when I point this out. What he is blabbering about is inaccurate gobbledeegook, with that nice little 5% of truth to fool people into thinking he is telling some great truth. What I and others are saying is historical fact.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

154 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Just saw that clip of Andrew Yang saying we had interfered with other countries' elections. [View all] pnwmom Oct 2019 OP

He had no answer and he totally evaded and clearly could not answer and had no example to give Pachamama Oct 2019 #1

Yeah, it seemed like he was just winging it, because he made the comment in the debate pnwmom Oct 2019 #3

Yep - uninformed at worst FreeState Oct 2019 #4

Maybe just reluctant to see the end of his campaign right there if he had... brush Oct 2019 #56

+1000 Well said. Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #83

You're welcome. The book is informative and a good read. You can put it down... brush Oct 2019 #85

Thank you! Plus we intervened in Chile, Venezuela and Nicaragua. Scotch-Irish Oct 2019 #153

Wow.. who does he think he is.. Cha Oct 2019 #25

Gabbard had the "Regime Change" covered.... Pachamama Oct 2019 #30

Thank you for that! Cha Oct 2019 #33

I've read he and Gabbard are Cha Oct 2019 #73

Yang was absolutely right.. and he SHOULD have had an answer......... pangaia Oct 2019 #31

If he had answered honestly Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #58

Then it could be argued that it was a pretty stupid move to repeat Trump talking pats of Pachamama Oct 2019 #139

Well, you're certainly right about that. pangaia Oct 2019 #141

We've done a lot of bad things to a lot of countries. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #143

They are pretty well documented. See post 37. brush Oct 2019 #38

It is well documented Cartaphelius Oct 2019 #137

I do recall from years ago CIA had helped remove at140 Oct 2019 #152

I was *very* unimpressed with his answer to Rachel's question about that. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #2

$1000 promise Pachamama Oct 2019 #11

We have meddled in this hemisphere for decades. See post 37. brush Oct 2019 #39

Yes, but Yang could have said so instead of dodging the question. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #41

That would've been the end of his campaign right there. brush Oct 2019 #53

To call out our corporate imperialism in any detail would've been the end of... brush Oct 2019 #55

your comments here are all very good.... pangaia Oct 2019 #142

Your posts are on point too. Glad to see a few of us know some of the history of our... brush Oct 2019 #144

We interfered in South America when Reagan was President. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #5

Did we invade their elections systems? How is it we "made sure" they didn't win elections? n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #7

We supplied the means for the opposition to threaten and kill people. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #14

Yes, we did all of that, even made sure strongmen got in who didn't hold... brush Oct 2019 #49

Of course Rachel knows this history dansolo Oct 2019 #112

Not saying it isn't, but can you explain the KPN Oct 2019 #119

The false equivalency is that Yang inferred that both Russia and the US has... brush Oct 2019 #124

Thanks. I didn't see the debate or the KPN Oct 2019 #134

You are quite right. We have meddled for over century in order to exploit... brush Oct 2019 #146

Right, and Yang knows it (as do others.) elleng Oct 2019 #9

So why didn't he say it then? Pachamama Oct 2019 #13

Then that's what Yang should have said, instead of evading the question. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #19

He CHOSE to not answer, elleng Oct 2019 #6

How is it being "diplomatic" to make an unsubstantiated claim in a debate pnwmom Oct 2019 #8

It's not.. imv. Cha Oct 2019 #74

Maybe he didn't want to throw our mistakes in our face. He said, this hemisphere. Yikes! Karadeniz Oct 2019 #10

Or he was just shooting from the hip, spouting off stuff he assumed everyone agreed with. pnwmom Oct 2019 #17

Try this. Corporate imperialism r us. Perhaps Yang didn't want to go there... brush Oct 2019 #60

#1-He wasn't shooting from the hip. pangaia Oct 2019 #145

And we've done it for over a century, and recently under trump we've stopped... brush Oct 2019 #59

Yeah that was disqualifying. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #12

The US has a long history or interfering in other's elections, for pete's sake!!... pangaia Oct 2019 #15

Not like what Russia did to us, with Trump's help. Where did we break into voting systems pnwmom Oct 2019 #18

Chile, Bolivia, Haiti, Italy, Japan, Philippines, Russia................. pangaia Oct 2019 #20

Thank you pangaia. Can I add Guatemala please? alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #22

LOL Why, of course, and quite a few others.. pangaia Oct 2019 #26

You're so right. The list is too long, and those are only the ones we know of. alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #27

And how about Iran ... decades ago? KPN Oct 2019 #64

Mohammad Mosaddegh, you're absolutely right. alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #66

Yep. Operation Ajax. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2019 #69

Greece. Capt. America Oct 2019 #23

just about everywhere, when it comes right down to it. pangaia Oct 2019 #28

No, it doesn't. You're suggesting a moral equivalence between Russia and the US. pnwmom Oct 2019 #98

Seems to me the only difference is our now KPN Oct 2019 #121

May I suggest you study a little world history. pangaia Oct 2019 #140

Blowback. nt KPN Oct 2019 #120

Do you have proof we hacked voting machines Cha Oct 2019 #35

there are many ways to influence an 'election' besides hacking voting machines... pangaia Oct 2019 #36

It's not like the nominee colluded with Cha Oct 2019 #67

You heard it here first folks! melman Oct 2019 #76

trump and putin taking over America & burning down the Planet Cha Oct 2019 #77

Read this melman Oct 2019 #80

Amazing. And I'll throw in overthrows and assissnations of elected presidents, too. Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #90

Find a sale on straw men to attack? ehrnst Oct 2019 #128

No melman Oct 2019 #133

Yes ehrnst Oct 2019 #135

Your evidence that we broke into elections systems? pnwmom Oct 2019 #47

okay, one more shot at it.. pangaia Oct 2019 #52

I'll add a few more in Africa. But speaking of the many ways Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #94

Russia itself, 1996 Celerity Oct 2019 #106

We've done much much worse than fiddling with registration lists. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2019 #24

thank you.... pangaia Oct 2019 #29

It's what Trump is doing to us , ya know. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2019 #34

So how do you feel about Trump Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #54

Oh right... or a Trump supporter. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2019 #57

Undoubtedly some cagey trouble maker made sure Trump said that just to throw a wrench into the works Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #92

I didn't see this show today sdfernando Oct 2019 #42

Yup.... pangaia Oct 2019 #46

No we haven't. Nothing is Worse than russia Cha Oct 2019 #75

Cha, you're in Hawaii. You know the history of white planters overthrowing... brush Oct 2019 #78

Yes, I know we've done some terribly Cha Oct 2019 #81

You're right. The whole planet is in danger,not just the hemisphere as... brush Oct 2019 #84

Yeah, that's what it sounds like alright.. I just saw this.. Cha Oct 2019 #86

Under Eisenhower, the US overthrew Iran in 1953, followed by Guatemala, in 1954. Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #89

Exactly. BeckyDem Oct 2019 #125

Boy, that is well said... pangaia Oct 2019 #147

So overthrowing elected leaders and training assassins is not as bad as that? Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #45

boy, tell me about it... pangaia Oct 2019 #48

Lots of tragically under-educated folks with really loud opinions chiming in, it seems. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2019 #79

It really puts people who are informed in an awkward spot, as they can't educate someone Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #87

Whoa! Breaking into voting systems and registrations lists. How about assassinations Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #91

Would love to add this timeline of US interference throughout Latin America: Judi Lynn Oct 2019 #97

Wow! Seeing the vastness of interference Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #115

Judi Lynn, thank you for this list on the extent of our corporate imperialism. brush Oct 2019 #127

Like most of his non answers. we can do it Oct 2019 #16

Trump has said the same thing. Repeatedly. RockRaven Oct 2019 #21

Yes, we have interfered in other countries elections, it was wrong, as is the Hoyt Oct 2019 #32

That was big mistake on his part. Klobuchar's response was on point. brush Oct 2019 #37

Chili, Iran, Vietnam, etc, etc, etc still_one Oct 2019 #40

What did we do that was comparable to breaking into registration lists and election systems? pnwmom Oct 2019 #44

Many things much worse than what Russia did Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #50

Doesn't make what Putin and Russia did acceptable. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #51

Who said it did? Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #61

exactly still_one Oct 2019 #95

+10000 Celerity Oct 2019 #122

For Trump to assist an enemy of the US to interfere in OUR election was close to treason. pnwmom Oct 2019 #62

Your false equivalency attempts are awful Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #131

assasinations still_one Oct 2019 #88

I had a problem with him saying not_the_one Oct 2019 #43

And O always thought what Yang spoke about was common knowledge KPN Oct 2019 #63

Some people are much more averse to information that makes them uncomfortable. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2019 #70

Because Trump is using that very argument to justify his helping Russia attack the election. pnwmom Oct 2019 #72

For the same reason we can imagine the death of other people, pangaia Oct 2019 #148

Has this country done some dirt? sure has. Afromania Oct 2019 #65

EXACTLY, Afromania! Cha Oct 2019 #68

Well said, Afromania. Thanks! n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #71

+1000. He proved himself unfit for office ecstatic Oct 2019 #126

I'm putting this in the "both sides" folder. betsuni Oct 2019 #82

Mahalo, betsuni! Cha Oct 2019 #102

Here's the thing: We're still supposed to prevent it from happening to US. NCLefty Oct 2019 #93

Yes, agreed that is the thing. But let's establish facts first about whether Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #96

Our aim has been to promote democracy, and yes, especially under R administrations, pnwmom Oct 2019 #99

'Our aim has been to promote democracy' melman Oct 2019 #100

Democrats haven't tried to promote democracy? betsuni Oct 2019 #103

FFS melman Oct 2019 #105

What? betsuni Oct 2019 #107

What? melman Oct 2019 #108

Oh, melman. betsuni Oct 2019 #109

Right melman Oct 2019 #117

Oh, melman. betsuni Oct 2019 #118

...... Skidmore Oct 2019 #123

lol. ehrnst Oct 2019 #129

lol melman Oct 2019 #132

lol ehrnst Oct 2019 #136

The true irony is that we worked to install Yeltsin as President of Russia (this occurred during the Celerity Oct 2019 #104

Whew.. thanks for taking the time. pangaia Oct 2019 #150

I think you've brought up an incredible teaching moment in your OP Kind of Blue Oct 2019 #111

To quote Melman.. pangaia Oct 2019 #149

We've been meddling in elections for many years. Firestorm49 Oct 2019 #101

The Japanese attacked us in Pearl Harbor. If some Americans had helped them attack us, pnwmom Oct 2019 #113

HUH? pangaia Oct 2019 #151

I view Skidmore Oct 2019 #110

I'm till undecided but after that response I know Yang is out of my decision. blueinredohio Oct 2019 #114

I've generally liked Yang... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #116

He should stick to being $1000 ant-automation guy. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #130

We have been meddling FOREVER in our hemisphere flamingdem Oct 2019 #138

It's the "conventional wisdom" of bothsiderisms mathematic Oct 2019 #154