Democratic Primaries

Celerity

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48. there is nothing to be learned from West Virginia (unless I am misreading what you meant)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:25 PM

Oct 2019

Almost none of Sanders' far left agenda would get passed, even if we took back the Senate.

AND, far more importantly

Sanders would also do almost ZERO of the insane damage that a 2nd Trump term would. Especially SCOTUS (assuming we take back the Senate in 2020 and hold it or finally get it in 2022.)

Bernie isn't going to win the primaries anyway, so it is all moot..

Finally, Manchin will back-stab us multiple times over the coming years. He will probably not vote to convict in the Senate, even though he is not up for reelection for 5 years. He is a pure situational ally (and is supporting Collins, the Rethug, in ME), and will sell us out on many keys things. It is a shame he is the best we can do in WV but it appears he is. I am just under NO illusions he is an true ally.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Manchin says he wouldn't back Sanders against Trump in presidential race [View all] melman Oct 2019 OP

That's okay. as long as you remember vote blue no matter who. Autumn Oct 2019 #1

But Manchin has that (D) behind his name. eom guillaumeb Oct 2019 #5

Well.. Autumn Oct 2019 #10

Bernie won all 55 county's in Manchin's state. His excuse doesn't wash. nt Autumn Oct 2019 #58

And it is an excuse. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #60

Marie Newman will beat him this time. Celerity Oct 2019 #102

A number of us in the 3rd are actively working for Newman. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #110

Bernie won Oklahoma too OKNancy Oct 2019 #88

While Sanders does not question everything Oct 2019 #66

True. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #67

Yet Sanders votes with and for Democrats LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #71

And he votes with us way more than a GOP would and God willing he will be a warm body to Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #98

Vote Blue no matter who SterlingPound Oct 2019 #76

Is it against the rules to call him a SHITHEAD for not coming out and saying Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #2

Lol. KPN Oct 2019 #70

... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #74

Which begs the question of where exactly Manchin comes from. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #3

I love Bernie evertonfc Oct 2019 #4

Often it appears Manchin's main role is keeping a Senate seat blue Raven123 Oct 2019 #6

I'll settle for that in West Virginia though... comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #13

In all seriousness, are we finally DONE with this guy? theaocp Oct 2019 #7

I'd rather have a semi Democrat than the Marsha Blackburn I have redstateblues Oct 2019 #22

My thoughts exactly. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #28

And he would rather have trump. So there's that.... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #44

They both wouldn't support a hypothetical DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE theaocp Oct 2019 #45

There are a lot of things he would vote with us on. Some blue staters don't get what red state redstateblues Oct 2019 #55

What a lovely world it would be if Manchin would vote and just shut his mouth. theaocp Oct 2019 #63

Agree 100% SharonClark Oct 2019 #69

Or Jim Inhofe ! OKNancy Oct 2019 #89

Manchin needs his BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #8

Lol boomer_wv Oct 2019 #24

So is his choice to undercut a potential DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON FAUX theaocp Oct 2019 #47

Cut off boomer_wv Nov 2019 #108

WV is deep red, Manchin is as far left as you can go there Amishman Nov 2019 #107

He will never have to make that choice. George II Oct 2019 #9

Ah melman Oct 2019 #12

Double negative based on a hypothetical. He will never have to make that choice. George II Oct 2019 #14

lol melman Oct 2019 #15

you don;t know that,,,,, pangaia Oct 2019 #34

There is no way Sanders will be the candidate is the point. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #106

Bernie hired people who voted for Stein Stuy Oct 2019 #11

The Bernie folks complaining about the lack of loyalty comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #16

SOOOoooo this! -nt Amimnoch Oct 2019 #52

"Let's just say I'm going to make decisions based on what's going to get me re-elected" progressoid Oct 2019 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Oct 2019 #18

Manchin is probably the last "Dixiecrat" in government. EOM tiredtoo Oct 2019 #19

The feeling is mutual. I would think twice before backing Manchin over Trump. beastie boy Oct 2019 #20

Manchin is also endorsing and supporting Susan Collins for reelection, so he is a known situational Celerity Oct 2019 #21

No matter how hard you try, Manchin does not represent Democrats. betsuni Oct 2019 #23

I didn't say he did melman Oct 2019 #25

I'll be you: "Who's Ibrahim? Who cares what a random person on Twitter says?" betsuni Oct 2019 #27

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #29

Another hypothetical. George II Oct 2019 #35

I think you are right on this point nt Celerity Oct 2019 #42

"lol Okay. Can't say I'm shocked." LanternWaste Oct 2019 #30

The old repeat my post back at me gag melman Oct 2019 #32

Your point? betsuni Oct 2019 #96

... Cha Oct 2019 #101

LOL betsuni Nov 2019 #105

I don't see the issue. He won't be left with that shitty choice. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #26

Are you saying Bernie's top staff did not vote for Hillary? OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #31

Nina Turner, Briahna Gray, and David Sirota all said they voted for Jill Stein. George II Oct 2019 #37

How does he expect democrats to vote for him? OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #64

That is correct. Some even trashed Clinton in the run up to the election. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #38

Jane tweeted the day before or the morning of the election, "It doesn't matter who you vote for" George II Oct 2019 #43

That was a disgusting thing for her to do... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #50

I completely agree with you on that person... comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #56

My wife doesn't either. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #65

LOL! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #68

Exactly! OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #77

Exactly. They all pushed for Cha Oct 2019 #97

It looks like Bernie hires only loyalist OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #100

Just listening to that clip,, what a douchebag... pangaia Oct 2019 #33

Shameful asshole. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #36

The epitome of 'Democrat In Name Only' I wish a real Dem would challenge him. YOHABLO Oct 2019 #39

He didn't endorse Obama over Romney either. Nanjeanne Oct 2019 #40

There is a lot to be learned from West Virginia here empedocles Oct 2019 #41

there is nothing to be learned from West Virginia (unless I am misreading what you meant) Celerity Oct 2019 #48

We pretty much agree. A fine point, Manchin's hard-up constituencies, do not want a 'true ally'. empedocles Oct 2019 #51

I fully believe, that if the Senate, post 2020, were split 50/50, and a Dem POTUS Celerity Oct 2019 #57

If Democrats got serious about a Howard Dean 50-state solution democrank Oct 2019 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Oct 2019 #49

I guessing the Republican who would replace him wouldn't support Sanders either... brooklynite Oct 2019 #53

I know incumbent House Members who think we could lose the House... brooklynite Oct 2019 #54

I know a few that think we can win it and more if Bernie is the nominee.nt Autumn Oct 2019 #59

The urge for purism is great for blue staters-it doesn't really work for us red staters redstateblues Oct 2019 #62

Selection bias? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #78

The selection was a grouping of first term incumbents... brooklynite Oct 2019 #79

I'm sure it was a very controlled encounter. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #81

Joe Manchin... Bartollo Oct 2019 #61

He puts us closer to having the majority in the Senate. Without him... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #72

'He puts us closer to having the majority in the Senate.'... No, in fact he is doing the opposite. Celerity Oct 2019 #75

That makes zero mathematical sense. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #83

your maths are off Celerity Oct 2019 #90

... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #91

hopefully we can flush Rump and work to get what used to a massively Dem state Celerity Oct 2019 #92

... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #93

fairplay Celerity Oct 2019 #94

Yawn... Bartollo Oct 2019 #82

Oh, hello! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #84

The real world ? Bartollo Oct 2019 #85

I love Joe Manchin! You should too... be happy he's not a Republican. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #86

Shocking! NOT! He is basically a cowardly Republican that occasionally does the right thing. Nt helpisontheway Oct 2019 #73

I love Joe Manchin! You should too... be happy he's not a Republican. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #87

Joe Manchin is a Democrat and in order to take the senate back we will need more red state Democrats Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #99

Soooo---alleged traitor more acceptable than alleged socialist!?! bobbieinok Oct 2019 #80

I find it interesting that some clutch their pearls when some Dems attack other Dems ehrnst Oct 2019 #95

because his constituents don't need none of that new fangled health care mike_c Oct 2019 #103

joe who? myohmy2 Nov 2019 #104

Not a Sanders fan, but this crosses the line. maximusveritas Nov 2019 #109

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