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Gothmog

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63. Is Joe Biden actually underrated now?

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:04 PM

Nov 2019

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Among black voters in the Quinnipiac poll, Biden took 44% to 10% for Sanders and just 8% for Warren. (South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg received less than 1% of the black vote in South Carolina in the new Q poll. Ouch.)

Of the UNF poll, Dr. Michael Binder, faculty director of the Public Opinion Research Lab, said: "Buoyed by his support among African American voters, Biden has an established lead far above the other contenders in South Carolina."

Biden's lasting strength in South Carolina and with black voters is mirrored in his improving performance in national 2020 polling as well. Biden was in danger of losing his edge over Warren in national 2020 surveys as recently as a few weeks ago. Now? He averages more than 7 points over Warren, according to the polling database maintained by Real Clear Politics.

To be clear: Biden is still not where he wants to be in Iowa or New Hampshire. And his fundraising needs to get drastically better. But his continued strength in South Carolina -- and the persistence of support from black voters even amid online predictions of his imminent demise -- suggest that Biden may have more strengths than he is getting credit for at the moment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why Black Voters Prefer Establishment Candidates Over Liberal Alternatives [View all] Gothmog Oct 2019 OP

I agree with your starting paragraph. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #1

Here is my take on early states. Blue_true Oct 2019 #13

Thank You For The White-Splaining How Black People Vote DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #2

You do know that the author of this article is Perry Bacon? Gothmog Oct 2019 #6

Wow, you just keep stepping in it. Blue_true Oct 2019 #14

How is Killer Mike's endorsement working for sanders? Gothmog Oct 2019 #16

The point that I was making is that trying to characterize a whole ethnic group's thinking by one Blue_true Oct 2019 #17

Again how is the support of Nina Turner who voted for stein working for sanders? Gothmog Oct 2019 #24

Holy shit. OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #23

THIS n/t Tom Rinaldo Oct 2019 #30

But that's not what the poster said. yardwork Oct 2019 #32

Well then what color person would you like the article to be written by. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #43

It wouldn't matter if the person actively steeps himself or herself Blue_true Oct 2019 #45

Kerry lost...and was attacked by the left during the primary. He was views as establishment. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #11

Kerry's loss was due to being Swift-boated. It was part of the rise of DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #12

Michael Moore and others laid the groundeork fot this...they attacked Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #18

No, sorry. It was a very deliberate campaign by disgusting Republicans in a DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #22

+1 Joe941 Oct 2019 #26

Well said. eom guillaumeb Dec 2019 #76

Maybe you should educate yourself on Cha Dec 2019 #84

Good read from 538!!...thx for posting Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Oct 2019 #5

Interesting. zentrum Oct 2019 #4

This is true of most minorities but AA in particular BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #7

Good points. Blue_true Oct 2019 #19

A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Oct 2019 #25

Turnout is what is important MichMan Dec 2019 #81

Thanks for presenting this article. Let it be said that both Warren and Sanders have had emmaverybo Oct 2019 #8

Thanks! I couldn't have said it better, myself... Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #9

Just to point out ... BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #33

Here is some recent polling on South Carolina Gothmog Oct 2019 #40

Well-written piece n/t PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #10

Explains the recent polls in SC. Strong showing for Biden! lamoustel Oct 2019 #15

Here is a new South Carolina poll Gothmog Oct 2019 #42

Here is the latest SC polling Gothmog Dec 2019 #85

100% on board with the article. oasis Oct 2019 #20

How does South Carolina reflect the demographics of the party as a whole? madville Oct 2019 #21

Great article. Black voters know we don't have the luxury of voting for pie in the sky & unicorns. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #27

I think its all about trust. honest.abe Oct 2019 #28

Biden Tries To Build Super Tuesday Firewall Gothmog Oct 2019 #29

Yikes, That's Not a Good Sign DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #31

Meanwhile in the real world Gothmog Oct 2019 #35

Is Joe Biden actually underrated now? Gothmog Nov 2019 #63

Biden Expands Lead In South Carolina Gothmog Oct 2019 #34

Iowa and NH are flawed, not meaningless. And so, in a sense, is SC. Tom Rinaldo Oct 2019 #36

Biden is a lifelong liberal. Jefferson and Madison were liberals. Hortensis Oct 2019 #37

Biden now at 50% with Black voters in South Carolina Gothmog Oct 2019 #38

Poll: Biden holds 24-point lead over Democratic field among black voters Gothmog Oct 2019 #39

While he has a big lead, that also means that 64% are either undecided or prefer someone else MichMan Dec 2019 #80

Joe Biden is at 61% with African American voters Gothmog Oct 2019 #41

Thank goodness AA folks vote with their HEAD. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #44

Biden has 154 endorsements from current or former black or Hispanic elected officials. Gothmog Nov 2019 #65

I'd take exception to the idea that the so-called "establishment" candidates... Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #46

+1000,000 emmaverybo Oct 2019 #52

How the Democrats' shift to the left indirectly aids Joe Biden Gothmog Oct 2019 #53

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The Democratic Party is a big tent party and not all liberals are the same Gothmog Oct 2019 #55

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Again, the pollster came up with these categories and voters self-identified Gothmog Oct 2019 #57

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We are not in disagreement Gothmog Oct 2019 #59

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The "Democratic establishment" IS liberal. Hortensis Oct 2019 #47

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Lol, how'd I miss your post? A simple +1000 would have done. Hortensis Oct 2019 #49

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:) Hortensis Oct 2019 #51

The most important number in the CNN 2020 poll isn't the one you think it is Gothmog Oct 2019 #61

Black vote in SC in new Qpac poll: Gothmog Nov 2019 #62

Biden does best among African America voters Gothmog Nov 2019 #64

This idea ignores one truth. Jakes Progress Nov 2019 #66

Warren cannot get the nomination with only white voter support Gothmog Nov 2019 #68

Your own words. Jakes Progress Nov 2019 #70

African American vote share in this South Carolina @YouGov poll: Gothmog Dec 2019 #89

You are the one who said "so far". Jakes Progress Dec 2019 #90

Good news.. "establishment" are Cha Nov 2019 #67

K&R Scurrilous Nov 2019 #69

Look at Joe Biden's support Gothmog Nov 2019 #71

This polling explains a great deal Gothmog Nov 2019 #72

Why the headline's denial of our establishment's liberal principles? Hortensis Nov 2019 #73

African American voters are pragmatic which helps Joe Biden Gothmog Nov 2019 #74

'I know Joe's heart': Why black voters are backing Joe Biden Gothmog Dec 2019 #75

At least this is an admission that Biden is the "establishment" candidate. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #77

If Joe Biden...isn't on the ballot in 2020, many older black voters might just stay home, Gothmog Dec 2019 #78

I thought older black voters are the base. aikoaiko Dec 2019 #79

Yes and no. Because of racism, barriers are higher for black voters. MH1 Dec 2019 #86

How Black voters can win the nomination for Biden Gothmog Dec 2019 #82

Dissecting 'the black vote' Gothmog Dec 2019 #83

I'm struggling to accept that Joe Biden, a life-long liberal doesn't count as a "liberal" The Valley Below Dec 2019 #87

There is liberal and extreme liberal according to polling data Gothmog Dec 2019 #88

Here is some recent polling Gothmog Dec 2019 #91