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Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
65. What Joe Biden Can't Bring Himself to Say
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:17 PM
Nov 2019

I was a stutter until about 4th grade. I find these attacks on Biden to be sad. This article about Joe's stuttering really hit home with me. The discussion of the movie The King's Speech was very moving for me.




In Biden’s office, the first time I bring up his current stuttering, he asks me whether I’ve seen The King’s Speech. He speaks almost mystically about the award-winning 2010 film. “When King George VI, when he stood up in 1939, everyone knew he stuttered, and they knew what courage it took for him to stand up at that stadium and try to speak—and it gave them courage … I could feel that. It was that sinking feeling, like—oh my God, I remember how you felt. You feel like, I don’t know … almost like you’re being sucked into a black hole.”

Presidential candidates usually don’t speak about their bleakest moments, certainly not this viscerally. It resembles the way Biden writes in his memoir about the aftermath of the 1972 car accident that killed his first wife and young daughter and critically injured his two sons, Beau and Hunter: “I could not speak, only felt this hollow core grow in my chest, like I was going to be sucked inside a black hole.”

A few weeks later, I ask Jill Biden what she remembers about sitting next to her husband during the movie. “It was one of those moments in a marriage where you just sort of understand without words being spoken,” she says.

As he watched The King’s Speech, Biden accurately guessed that the screenwriter, David Seidler, was a stutterer. “He showed me a copy of a speech they found in an attic that the king had actually used, where he marks his—it’s exactly what I do!” Biden tells me, his voice lifting. “My staff, when I have them put something on a prompter—I wish I had something to show you.”

I agree with Joe that it would be difficult for trump to use Joe's stutter against him
In Biden’s office, as my time is about to run out, I bring up the fact that Trump crudely mocked a disabled New York Times reporter during the 2016 campaign. “So far, he’s called you ‘Sleepy Joe.’ Is ‘St-St-St-Stuttering Joe’ next?”

“I don’t think so,” Biden says, “because if you ask the polls ‘Does Biden stutter? Has he ever stuttered?,’ you’d have 80 to 95 percent of people say no.” If Trump goes there, Biden adds, “it’ll just expose him for what he is.”

I ask Biden something else we’ve been circling: whether he worries that people would pity him if they thought he still stuttered.

He scratches his chin, his fingers trembling slightly. “Well, I guess, um, it’s kind of hard to pity a vice president. It’s kind of hard to pity a senator who’s gotten six zillion awards. It’s kind of hard to pity someone who has had, you know, a decent family. I-I-I-I don’t think if, now, if someone sits and says, ‘Well, you know, the kid, when he was a stutterer, he must have been really basically stupid,’ I-I-I don’t think it’s hard to—I’ve never thought of that. I mean, there’s nobody in the last, I don’t know, 55 years, has ever said anything like that to me.”

This is an issue that I have strong feelings about.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
K n R JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #1
It IS kinda sad Joe... I think what we saw was the beginning of the end of the Biden campaign. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #29
It's almost as bad as if he'd written... boomer_wv Nov 2019 #71
You said that a couple of weeks ago, then Biden surged. Please keep saying it! Thanks. George II Nov 2019 #81
'This will finally finish Joe Biden, trust me!' emulatorloo Nov 2019 #102
I guess. Beyond COULD have posted someone with the opposite take. Hortensis Nov 2019 #91
Yep. Unfortunately. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #2
Nope. Fortunately. LanternWaste Nov 2019 #53
It is the first debate I mostly watched (laptop, WA Post website) - I thought Biden NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #3
You skipped Warren entire. hedda_foil Nov 2019 #4
sorry - tired! - I edited to add Warren in with the larger group. I didn't think she stood out NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #6
I don't see myself BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #24
Love Elizabeth too!! Currently my #2... but I could easily see voting for her InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #30
... BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #60
So we've had what four debates now Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #5
I have to agree with you there!! I think Joe is done... too many gaffes. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #31
What Joe Biden Can't Bring Himself to Say Gothmog Nov 2019 #65
Why? treestar Nov 2019 #78
They gave Klobuchar an A-. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #7
Agree on the trembling BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #10
She sounded to me like she was about to cry Merlot Nov 2019 #13
Seems a lot of people noticed BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #14
I thought a fan was blowing on her hair torius Nov 2019 #15
Seemed more neurological than nervous. C_U_L8R Nov 2019 #26
It looked like a tremor to me The Blue Flower Nov 2019 #27
I would give AK a B-... a solid B had it not been for the trembling. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #32
I wondered what it was Hav Nov 2019 #48
The Globe is constantly anti Biden Green Line Nov 2019 #8
So is Essence, I guess BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #12
That comment Joe made about coming out of the black community was stunning!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #33
Ouch nt redqueen Nov 2019 #36
Biden had a bad night and he looked tired the whole time Hav Nov 2019 #51
Yes, by far Joe's worst debate performance. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #70
More Warren supporters in the media...they obviously didn't watch the same debate I did...I thought Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #43
Good lord. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #9
Biden isn't the leader of the party. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #23
Sliming the probable nominee is a bad idea unless you want four more years of Trump. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #44
Don't agree with you about the Trump part.... TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #46
Most polls show Trump above 40%. He has to win three states...WI, MI and PA. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #54
I don't think we will "allow" it to happen. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #55
I agree...we have great candidates...and in any other election, I would not worry so much. But Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #58
That's absurd DavidDvorkin Nov 2019 #11
good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Nov 2019 #16
Senator Harris' mother is Indian and her father Jamaican Lizzie Boredom Nov 2019 #17
Boston Globe was revealing their own bias & assumptions... WePurrsevere Nov 2019 #20
For the most part, the term AA has morphed into something much larger. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #22
Agree with you there. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #35
Yeah, like how Barack Obama isn't really mcar Nov 2019 #25
Obama's father was born in Africa...Apparently which I didn't know as I could care a less... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #45
Non sequitur Lizzie Boredom Nov 2019 #62
Many Jamaicans came to that island as African slaves mcar Nov 2019 #64
Harris' ancestors weren't slaves Lizzie Boredom Nov 2019 #90
Telling a black woman how she should identify herself is beneath Democrats. Leave the whitesplaining StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #94
Who's doing that? Lizzie Boredom Nov 2019 #95
You are StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #99
So, no answers to my questions, then Lizzie Boredom Nov 2019 #106
You're mighty confrontational for one here only 4 days and just eeking past a single-digit postcount StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #107
She was the little girl Biden tried to stop busing treestar Nov 2019 #105
I wish you were correct... tonedevil Nov 2019 #98
Indeed StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #100
How many generations? treestar Nov 2019 #104
+1. Not to mention that she didn't become Senator until 2016, after Obama/Biden R B Garr Nov 2019 #40
This one does not float - Jamaica is like 98% black treestar Nov 2019 #79
Wow. You might want to walk that back. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2019 #80
Wow. That's a ridiculous claim StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #93
Why are you twisting into knots by trying to change what R B Garr Nov 2019 #97
Biden isn't my pick but Raine Nov 2019 #18
I remember the 1992 Food Fight Debate and Joe Biden is no James Stockdale. Eugene Nov 2019 #19
No, not a big deal... but it is an indication that Joe has trouble expressing his thoughts. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #37
Again...perhaps you need to read up on Stockdale...as a Navy Brat, I know the man is a hero...so Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #52
Seeing they gave Klobuchar an A- tell me this piece is bunk. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #21
Biden had some shaky moments but ritapria Nov 2019 #28
I agree... it's way past time to jettison the second and third tier candidates from the debate stage InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #38
I hit a paywall when I went to read it. cwydro Nov 2019 #34
fake email gets through Alex Blaine Layder Nov 2019 #39
Hey, good idea! cwydro Nov 2019 #41
BS. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #42
I would also add that no matter what...party or no party...Admiral Stockdale was a war hero who was Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #47
Fuck you Boston Globe and I am sure Biden will be proud to be compared to an American hero like Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #49
I did not know these things about Admiral Stockdale. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #72
Every navy brat has heard of Admiral Stockdale...and the person who wrote this article Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #73
I read up more about Admiral Stockdale after reading your post. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #75
Thank you for taking the time to read about this American hero...he deserves better than to Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #77
I don't know... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #50
It is true. earthside Nov 2019 #56
It just sucks being the front runner and all...oh well I guess those in the single digits are the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #74
Every time I read the title of this thread, it makes me sick. Again He was a hero...just horrible. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #57
Every candidates has certain negative factors Unclephil Nov 2019 #59
BASHING!!! brooklynite Nov 2019 #61
I think you are talking about my post...and I said posting multiple nasty articles about Biden was Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #76
@JoeBiden 's Support Increases Post Debate According to new 538/ @Ipsos Poll Gothmog Nov 2019 #63
Sorry he's not losing as much support as you would like but I saw his town hall and he kicked UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #66
Top Massachusetts newspaper criticizes Warren's main opponent Calof Nov 2019 #67
Eugene Robinson-"sounded authoritative in a way that showed his experience and his stature as Vice P Gothmog Nov 2019 #68
... MustLoveBeagles Nov 2019 #69
"Stuttering can feel like a series of betrayals. Your body betrays you when it refuses to work in co Gothmog Nov 2019 #82
I assume Joe had this problem in 2012 when he positively annihilated Paul Ryan in a debate BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #83
And watch closely when Biden annihilates Trump. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #84
I definitely think that's part of the problem BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #85
Joe has had this issue his entire life Gothmog Nov 2019 #87
It didn't get in the way of his debate performances BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #89
I don't recall Joe Biden trying to annihilate Barack Obama (or HRC) The Valley Below Nov 2019 #88
Biden has been open about stuttering for a long time Gothmog Nov 2019 #86
Here are great comments by Joe Biden on this article Gothmog Nov 2019 #92
This wasn't covered in-depth until now. Why? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #96
I knew about this back when Joe ran in 1988 and 2008 Gothmog Nov 2019 #103
Are there new numbers out? tirebiter Nov 2019 #101
According to Nate Silver, Joe Biden leads in three of the first four states Gothmog Nov 2019 #108
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