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pnwmom

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10. You are comparing apples and oranges. Harvard is well known for passing out
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:50 AM
Nov 2019

Last edited Thu Nov 28, 2019, 02:53 AM - Edit history (3)

honors degrees like popcorn. In 2004 when Mayor Pete graduated, 90% of its students graduated with some level of honors.

In sharp contrast, Stanford doesn't give honors for GPA's, but it does note a degree with "Distinction" based on the GPA -- only for the top 15% of the class.

But there is one school they had in common: Booker was awarded a degree with honors from Oxford, but Buttigieg wasn't (according to Wikipedia.)

And Yang's degrees were from Brown and Columbia. (Wikipedia doesn't mention honors.) How you can pretend Yang's and Buttigieg's academic records were any stronger than Booker's is beyond me.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/:~:targetText=Last%20June,%20a%20record%2091,a%20Globe%20study%20has%20found.

HARVARD:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/4/30/rising-GPA-cutoffs-honors/

A 2002 Faculty vote set 60 percent as the maximum portion of each class that can earn honors. That policy change aimed to make Latin honors more exclusive — more than 90 percent of the Class of 2004 graduated with honors.


Last June, a record 91 percent of Harvard students graduated summa, magna, or cum laude, far more than at Yale (51 percent), Princeton (44 percent) and other elite universities, a Globe study has found.

While the world regards these students as the best of the best of America's 13 million undergraduates, Harvard honors has actually become the laughingstock of the Ivy League. The other Ivies see Harvard as the Lake Wobegon of higher education, where all the students, being above average, can take honors for granted.

It takes just a B-minus average in the major subject to earn cum laude -- no sweat at a school where 51 percent of the grades last year were A's and A- minuses.

Yet Pedersen also admits that grade inflation is real. As at many schools, at Harvard, the A to F grading range has unofficially turned to an A to B- minus range. As a result, the university's current honors requirements make Harvard unique: It inevitably rewards grade inflation with honors.



STANFORD:
https://exploredegrees.stanford.edu/undergraduatedegreesandprograms/#honorstext

Distinction is awarded to 15% of the graduating class based on cumulative grade point averages.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Says more about the poll respondents than the candidates maximusveritas Nov 2019 #1
Why is Buttigieg more academically successful than the African American, Cory Booker? pnwmom Nov 2019 #3
Booker himself admits he only got into Stanford because of his football abilities maximusveritas Nov 2019 #4
What? SaschaHM Nov 2019 #5
So number of degrees equates to intelligence in your mind? maximusveritas Nov 2019 #9
Booker has much higher degrees than Buttigieg and a lot more of them. Blue_true Nov 2019 #53
I think they're all pretty smart... dawg day Nov 2019 #51
Booker was being modest. He didn't get into Yale law school because of his football. pnwmom Nov 2019 #7
You are comparing apples and oranges. Harvard is well known for passing out pnwmom Nov 2019 #10
I have a nephew that is a good athlete in high school and an excellent student. Blue_true Nov 2019 #54
Booker managed to do well enough academically, despite his heavy football schedule, pnwmom Nov 2019 #57
Good reply, a wee bit defensive, lol. I've decided BootinUp Nov 2019 #13
Why is that a good reply? Are you aware that Harvard gives honors to about 90% of its graduates, pnwmom Nov 2019 #16
Because it's the posters opinion, and because BootinUp Nov 2019 #17
I don't think it's a coincidence that the three at the bottom of the list pnwmom Nov 2019 #19
One factor seems to be familiarity or popularity BootinUp Nov 2019 #21
Bollocks, Buttigieg graduated magna cum laude, it is a flat Celerity Nov 2019 #29
I didn't say 90% graduated magna cum laude. But because of grade inflation at Harvard, pnwmom Nov 2019 #44
Well, my son was borderline acceptance into helpisontheway Nov 2019 #36
It is interesting that I've heard Buttigieg is a Rhodes Scholar but I never heard the same about JonLP24 Nov 2019 #26
Booker was a very elite Rhodes Scholar. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #55
"but Mayor Pete only has a BA." madaboutharry Nov 2019 #30
Who would learn a language treestar Nov 2019 #59
Pete for sure Groundhawg Nov 2019 #39
I wonder why Booker, Klobuchar, and Castro are at the bottom of the list. pnwmom Nov 2019 #2
It really says something doesn't it. SaschaHM Nov 2019 #6
It sure is. pnwmom Nov 2019 #8
Full disclosure: I have an BA in Computer Science from Yale. SaschaHM Nov 2019 #12
You probably also know that Harvard was giving almost all its graduates a degree with honors, pnwmom Nov 2019 #14
You are completely correct. Sloumeau Nov 2019 #24
Judging how smart someone is based on how they talk isn't accurate JonLP24 Nov 2019 #28
I agree that trying to figure out how smart someone is based solely on how they speak is not Sloumeau Nov 2019 #32
Yeah I don't know about all that, people listen to all BootinUp Nov 2019 #15
Right. But maybe they're perceiving their appearance as much as what they say. nt pnwmom Nov 2019 #20
What a bullshit question. Get real. WheelWalker Nov 2019 #11
+1 Celerity Nov 2019 #31
Mayor Pete, hands down. SergeStorms Nov 2019 #18
Booker is a Rhodes scholar with honors. Booker also graduated from Stanford pnwmom Nov 2019 #22
Buttigieg graduated with an Oxford First in his PPE programme Celerity Nov 2019 #25
They didn't give a statistic for how many graduated magna, but with 90% graduating cum laude pnwmom Nov 2019 #42
I was not comparing him to Booker or anyone else, and he was one of only 6 Harvard students to earn Celerity Nov 2019 #47
The ARTICLE in the OP is all about comparing the Presidential candidates, and has Buttigieg pnwmom Nov 2019 #49
the 'article' is a tweet of a dodgy poll question that is a priori going to yield biased Celerity Nov 2019 #50
If they all met the standards treestar Nov 2019 #60
Amy Klobuchar went to Yale madaboutharry Nov 2019 #23
Completely meaningless, many people just say their candidates Celerity Nov 2019 #27
Asking a group of overwhelmingly white people... TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #33
This! is the most ridiculous discussion I have seen in quite a while. vsrazdem Nov 2019 #34
Yep. They're all far more intelligent than MF45. nt babylonsister Nov 2019 #35
That's kind of a stupid question PJMcK Nov 2019 #37
You might as well ask 20 people at your Thanksgiving meal, Croney Nov 2019 #38
Where you went to school is no indicator that you're "smarter" than anyone else. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #40
And one of the dumbest people we know was smart enough to become President of the U.S. n/t pnwmom Nov 2019 #43
I left out the most obvious example! oldsoftie Nov 2019 #46
+1000. "I know a few people who NEVER went to college who are far smarter... Kind of Blue Nov 2019 #45
A silly poll for entertainment only... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #41
ALL our candidates obviously have high IQs. But being smart isn't the only important highplainsdem Nov 2019 #48
Now, there is a useless poll. MineralMan Nov 2019 #52
"Which candidate do you think is most intelligent?" myohmy2 Nov 2019 #56
They are Einsteins treestar Nov 2019 #58
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