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Demsrule86

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51. I will tell you what happened in GA where they implemented the hope scholarship with no

Sat Nov 30, 2019, 01:54 PM

Nov 2019

income requirements...wealthy parents paid for tutors and special programs to get their kids into Georgia Colleges and universities...poor and middle class often couldn't get in...tuition went up a great deal as well...and the wealthy kids invested in hopemobliles...cars bought with money from the Hope Scholarship money...the poor and the middle class paid for this and often couldn't sent their kids themselves...many sent their kids to Alabama in areas which treat some Georgia students as instate...you have to have income requirements. What happens if you don't is that the poor and middle class pay for the wealthy...and public education should be free through High School but our system is not set up to do this in colleges...I like Biden's plan to have community colleges for the first two years. If you implement free college, you will drive up the tuition prices enormously...it will be unsustainable in the long run.

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Rich kids should pay fees to attend public schools. [View all] crazytown Nov 2019 OP

that is completely twisted logic. mopinko Nov 2019 #1

I think that tax equity would do the same thing. That way, they don't have even more impetus ehrnst Nov 2019 #2

Rich people should buy books and not use libraries. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2019 #3

I think paying their fair share in taxes is a better narrative JDC Nov 2019 #4

They already do PJMcK Nov 2019 #5

And citizens already pay taxes for public college crazytown Nov 2019 #7

How Do You Determine Who Is Rich Me. Nov 2019 #6

The same way Pete would disqualify the wealthy from 'free' college. crazytown Nov 2019 #8

Well Pete is dead wrong on this, as he is on many other issues. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #15

I absolutely agree. crazytown Nov 2019 #53

Should maybe have made your REAL point in the OP ... just sayin' (nt) mr_lebowski Nov 2019 #81

I will tell you what happened in GA where they implemented the hope scholarship with no Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #51

So Pointing Out Poor When Dealing With Kids Me. Nov 2019 #11

Pointing out the poor when dealing with college kids crazytown Nov 2019 #12

What Are You Talking About? Me. Nov 2019 #19

I am pointing out the same issues apply crazytown Nov 2019 #22

Discrimination Of This Sort May Sound Good To Some Me. Nov 2019 #24

So why isn't 'a fair tax proposal where everyone pays their fair share' crazytown Nov 2019 #26

It Would Apply Across The Board Me. Nov 2019 #37

Poor folks are barely putting food on the table ...they can't afford to pay... Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #62

But Does That Need To Be A Public Statement Me. Nov 2019 #67

There is always a public statement...the thing is it shouldn't be used to shame folks. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #71

But We Know It Is Me. Nov 2019 #73

Kids always know...no way to stop that and making it free for all even those who don't need it will Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #77

But That Is Exactly What NYC Has Done Regarding School Food Me. Nov 2019 #86

Rich kids often don't go to public schools at all. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #9

Like rich kids don't often go to public college. crazytown Nov 2019 #10

Some do. If Daddy can't get them into the Ivy League school he went to, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #16

A question of degree crazytown Nov 2019 #20

I'm not sure what the argument really is. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #23

There I absolutely agree with you. crazytown Nov 2019 #29

They did in Georgia after Hope...and the poor ended up subsidizing them. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #63

My children both attended private school, K through college . . . Journeyman Nov 2019 #13

If you read the followups the CT posted you'll find this is actually an anti-Pete's position post mr_lebowski Nov 2019 #84

We pay for public education because Skidmore Dec 2019 #114

Re-read my post. I voted to continue my contribution . . . Journeyman Dec 2019 #115

Whenever public services are gated by income they become divisive and oppressive. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #14

Like public college? crazytown Nov 2019 #17

I absolutely support universal public college. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #21

Yep crazytown Nov 2019 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author YOHABLO Nov 2019 #18

Twisted and a losing issue...have you considered the general and how we craft a winning message? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #25

Dear lord no. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2019 #27

All tax payers are contributing to public college. crazytown Nov 2019 #30

That simply isn't true...states have cut funding to the bone for state colleges...and the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #72

In nearly all states that isn't even close to true dsc Nov 2019 #98

But the wealthy pay more taxes in total. crazytown Nov 2019 #101

So talk about right wing talking points dsc Nov 2019 #102

I agree that income-based tuition should not be required to attend a public school. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #34

The real problem, if we are talking about public colleges, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2019 #91

I don't think property taxes are used for higher ed - they definitely aren't in my state. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #92

They/their families (and we) DO pay 'fees,' elleng Nov 2019 #28

And wealthy families pay taxes for public colleges as well. crazytown Nov 2019 #31

Yes elleng Nov 2019 #32

I am just pointing out that the arguments for free education crazytown Nov 2019 #35

The arguments only apply equally if you are advocating for making college compulsory LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #38

No. Completing high school is not compulsory. crazytown Nov 2019 #41

Only the last couple of years, depending on jurisdiction. College is completely optional. LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #42

It's not optional these days if you want a good job. crazytown Nov 2019 #45

So, are you advocating for making college compulsory? If not, then you're just quibbling LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #57

No, I'm arguing the state should pay for the education crazytown Nov 2019 #60

You can't force states to do this...so what is the point? Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #74

Public universities are not funded in the same way as public K-12. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #40

And ... ? crazytown Nov 2019 #44

The point is that public universities are not funded the same way as K-12, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #55

It does not change the argument of whether government crazytown Nov 2019 #59

If public schools are funded by priority and local/ state taxes... aikoaiko Nov 2019 #36

Public ed. includes public college crazytown Nov 2019 #39

Public school is for the public. That includes rich kids. GemDigger Nov 2019 #43

Public college is for the public. crazytown Nov 2019 #47

No they aren't dsc Nov 2019 #99

K-12 GemDigger Nov 2019 #113

Question QualTest Nov 2019 #46

How many "Rich Kids" attend "Public College"? crazytown Nov 2019 #49

No, public school should stay free for everyone. Liberty Belle Nov 2019 #48

Agreed. crazytown Nov 2019 #50

That's not a public school then Loki Liesmith Nov 2019 #52

State taxes fund public colleges. crazytown Nov 2019 #54

No, no they used to...but many states have cut the money sent public colleges...and many have closed Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #64

They do pay fees. They're called taxes. brooklynite Nov 2019 #56

In most states the main funding of schools is the property tax karynnj Nov 2019 #58

The poor pay state taxes too. crazytown Nov 2019 #66

Property taxes are town or city taxes and they are based on assessed value karynnj Nov 2019 #82

No, no,no LiberalBrooke Nov 2019 #61

I agree. crazytown Nov 2019 #65

The arguments for funding public college are the same, eom. crazytown Nov 2019 #68

Most of them do not attend public schools. MineralMan Nov 2019 #69

Most of them do not attend public college. crazytown Nov 2019 #70

That is true, too. MineralMan Nov 2019 #78

They, presumably, already do. bitterross Nov 2019 #75

Their parents are also paying for public colleges through State taxes. crazytown Nov 2019 #76

That's insane. Iggo Nov 2019 #79

This thread is an argument of tuition free public college. crazytown Nov 2019 #80

I know what it is. And it's still insane. Iggo Nov 2019 #83

it would be OK to stop diverting public education $$ to private schools Maine-i-acs Nov 2019 #85

This is trolling Pisces Nov 2019 #87

No, it is a thread exploring the arguments for fee free education crazytown Nov 2019 #88

How about homeschooling households no longer get money for curriculum and p.e. Classes. Pisces Nov 2019 #89

No public funding for 'Liberty' University. crazytown Nov 2019 #90

No, it'd be bigoted discrimination against children of wealthy parents Hortensis Nov 2019 #93

No. Not at all. crazytown Nov 2019 #94

Okay, but encouraging the more prosperous half of Hortensis Nov 2019 #95

Very Well Said Me. Nov 2019 #107

Have to agree LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #96

last I checked public high schools don't have admission requirements dsc Nov 2019 #97

Not everyone can get into the civil service either. crazytown Nov 2019 #100

the civil service favors military vets which actually disfavors the wealthy who are less likely to dsc Nov 2019 #103

Charter School was line item on my real estate tax bill. Furious OhNo-Really Nov 2019 #104

I am completely flabbergasted by how many didn't get your real meaning. aidbo Nov 2019 #105

It was far clumsier a proposal-- not exaggerated or detailed enough to be satire. dawg day Nov 2019 #108

I put an edit in the the OP to make it clear what I was talking about. crazytown Nov 2019 #111

In my kids' public school, there were two families who were very wealthy- dawg day Nov 2019 #106

So you don't understand how property tax works? That's how public beachbumbob Nov 2019 #109

As indicated in the OP crazytown Nov 2019 #110

No. Blue_true Nov 2019 #112

They will just always go to private schools treestar Dec 2019 #116