Democratic Primaries

redqueen

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74. No, that's where we are now, because of lobbyists and their accomplices

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 12:01 PM

Dec 2019

In Congress and the media.

https://www.gq.com/story/lobbyists-medicare-for-all-op-eds

Our next president needs to be very clear on this or we will NEVER get there.

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Biden: Media, rivals wrong that AOC represents direction of party [View all] brooklynite Dec 2019 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #1

Well, he's right but I better Cha Dec 2019 #2

Joe is stuck in a time warp... the Democratic Party has moved on!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #3

Exactly this. If you want to be part of our future get out the way! Joe941 Dec 2019 #4

Bernie's shown Democrats the light his entire political life & lead the way InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #16

No he hasn't. George II Dec 2019 #38

Oh please. Aquaria Dec 2019 #39

No he hasn't. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #44

Hahahaha awesomerwb1 Dec 2019 #81

Suuure he has. And he demonstrates "the light" by making hires like this: George II Dec 2019 #89

n... no, please stop doing this uponit7771 Dec 2019 #134

Who exactly comprises "our"? George II Dec 2019 #73

I ain't moved on. Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #6

I'm the same Democrat I was 40 years ago, as are most of the Democrats I come across daily. George II Dec 2019 #82

Even if he's right, it seems MBS Dec 2019 #131

Yes it has moved on Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #8

True that!!! rainy Dec 2019 #12

The time warp that's the Electoral college. Win the damn election dem4decades Dec 2019 #14

This does deeper than that. This is like that "gateway drug" comment. nt redqueen Dec 2019 #23

Not a good example JoeDuck Dec 2019 #34

You don't think Kentuckians don't mind voting to protect their healthcare? dem4decades Dec 2019 #48

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. JoeDuck Dec 2019 #142

I can only imagine how Beto's comments about The Mouth Dec 2019 #167

"All politics is local" The Mouth Dec 2019 #130

"Local" is confusing in these parts. JoeDuck Dec 2019 #143

I agree totally duforsure Dec 2019 #53

Propensity to lose one's temper is a sure sign. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #146

"Joe is stuck in a time warp... the Democratic Party has moved on?" Have you seen the Democrats... George II Dec 2019 #69

even obama campaigned on "hope and change".... joe, not so much -n/t Locrian Dec 2019 #88

Yeah, status quo isn't going to excite the base... why, fortunately, Joe won't get the nomination. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #148

The nominee will not be a Democratic Socialist redstateblues Dec 2019 #155

Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #162

The Party hasn't moved "extremely" left. That's an illusion propagated MarcA Dec 2019 #121

Has he always said "man" this often? Tipperary Dec 2019 #141

Odd indeed! But, that's Joe these days... endearing to some. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #149

He's been using that for years, if not decades. George II Dec 2019 #169

+1000 janterry Dec 2019 #201

We're not going to nominate Joe... I have confidence in the Democrat Party InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #205

Just shows twitter is not real life Otto Lidenbrock Dec 2019 #5

Exactly and that's not all.. Cha Dec 2019 #9

Yeah, she's a superstar all right. Just dont endorse me! oldsoftie Dec 2019 #19

My man Gus. He's one of my favorite tweeple. nt Kahuna7 Dec 2019 #40

Good to know, Kahuna.. I don't recall Cha Dec 2019 #41

He's definitely, no malarkey! Kahuna7 Dec 2019 #42

I think I have one more; Ammar Campa-Najjar. Anon-C Dec 2019 #60

Is it only justice Dems who want M4A? Or is it most Americans? redqueen Dec 2019 #25

The dems who switched seats from red to blue in 2018 mostly ran on defending the ACA Otto Lidenbrock Dec 2019 #31

I get that. But does that mean the entire party is moving in the direction of those areas? redqueen Dec 2019 #37

I think a decade from now we will be on that path Otto Lidenbrock Dec 2019 #45

So the party is moving in the direction of AOC. redqueen Dec 2019 #71

We are always going to have to appeal to a variety of voters...extremes on the right and the left Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #106

Not red states - PEOPLE. redqueen Dec 2019 #107

We have to or we will never have senate majority...we must compete in red and purple states. I Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #179

They also campaigned against Lacy Clay and Gretchen Whitmer in Missouri and Michigan.... George II Dec 2019 #85

Justice Democrats take money from the GOP and our revolution has supported independents and Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #180

Their endorsement pages have been removed from their website. On the other hand.... George II Dec 2019 #182

And No, Joe Biden is Not "stuck in a time warp" Cha Dec 2019 #7

With friends like this, who needs enemas? ProfessorPlum Dec 2019 #10

Biden is right.. whether you want to look Cha Dec 2019 #13

Exactly!!! rainy Dec 2019 #15

BOOOOOOOOMMM!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #17

Except that its not possible using the funding plans proposed. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #20

The 2018 midterms seem to verify that the point that Joe was making, that the Ocasio-Cortez faction still_one Dec 2019 #26

Definitely. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #33

That's not what he said - he said "direction of the party" - and he is wrong. redqueen Dec 2019 #96

Your opinion is that he is wrong. Perhaps your opinion is wrong. Is that possible? still_one Dec 2019 #114

Are you saying you think the constant shift to the right redqueen Dec 2019 #116

It is YOU who are saying th Democratic party is shifting to the right, NOT ME. You are the one who still_one Dec 2019 #117

It is established fact. redqueen Dec 2019 #119

BS. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #139

You haven't even been here a month. The vast majority of DU seems to see things differently. redqueen Dec 2019 #145

Sorry to be in the mainstream liberal majority The Valley Below Dec 2019 #150

You're really not. Why don't you talk about how dangerous the devil weed is some more. redqueen Dec 2019 #151

Heavy marijuana smoking by teens shows serious negative impacts The Valley Below Dec 2019 #163

no one is suggesting that mj be made legal for children...i do not know why you keep implying it questionseverything Dec 2019 #206

No. The problem is that CA's legalization scheme has not worked to stop sales to minors. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #207

cali screwed up by making legal weed so expensive that illegal weed is stil available but questionseverything Dec 2019 #208

Don't believe me if that's your choice, but I'm telling the straight truth. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #209

This is classic RW and Russian disinformation directed Hortensis Dec 2019 #144

I'm not arguing about this any longer. redqueen Dec 2019 #147

I'd remove myself from the argument after that own, too. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #170

I don't want you to argue. I want you to learn how shockingly, Hortensis Dec 2019 #178

As far as social issues you have a point. On economic issues we are further to the right. redqueen Dec 2019 #186

Bravo! The Valley Below Dec 2019 #153

I agree, he is totally out of step janterry Dec 2019 #203

I get not promising the moon. I get that. But Americans WANT M4A. redqueen Dec 2019 #29

They don't not if it means workplace insurance goes away...hubs and I will pay far more than what we Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #55

I agree that we can't get there all at once. redqueen Dec 2019 #72

Rationing has to happen whatever plan you select exboyfil Dec 2019 #87

So, we let people die? Sorry not on board. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #93

87% against. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #154

No true. MFA is very unpopular. That's why Warren has backed away from it redstateblues Dec 2019 #156

but it seems people WANT to ignore that to contiue their identity politics/candidate Locrian Dec 2019 #195

I am sick of being told that liberals Bettie Dec 2019 #66

And I'm a liberal who is sick of being called a right-winger because I argue for attainable change LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #125

"Attainable Change" Bettie Dec 2019 #126

No, it means actually accomplishing something LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #127

So, only ask for what Republicans are willing Bettie Dec 2019 #128

Nope. Strawman. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #129

You got that right!! Incremental change, while little people go bankrupt or die, that's the ticket! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #160

Neither will win the general...thus we get no change of any kind... I would say Sanders has Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #181

Thanks for that. Totally agree redstateblues Dec 2019 #157

We are a party afraid to be our true selves because rainy Dec 2019 #11

DING DING DING!!! WE HAVA WINNA!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #18

I don't really agree. You have to attract all sorts of voters...and AOC doesn't do that. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #58

What you say is true as long as money controls the entire enterprise of our government. Until we rainy Dec 2019 #86

I don't see how money controls ideology...the right sold their Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #95

Fox and right wing radio only exist rainy Dec 2019 #115

Well we better do something because until we win...nothing is going to change and everytime Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #183

Power yields nothing without a fight! rainy Dec 2019 #191

Extremely disappointing. redqueen Dec 2019 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Dec 2019 #28

TRUTH!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #43

What most people want is to expand the ACA by offering a public option. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #59

No, that's where we are now, because of lobbyists and their accomplices redqueen Dec 2019 #74

So what you're really saying is that people have been brainwashed The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #90

Not brainwashed, misled. Lobbyists have successful in influencing enough people redqueen Dec 2019 #94

Can you at least find a poll not funded by Kaiser? redqueen Dec 2019 #164

I picked it only because it was the most recent one, but here's another, done in September The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #165

Thanks. I do know that the media onslaught has been effective. redqueen Dec 2019 #166

And that's no malarkey!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #161

All one has to do is look at the midterms, where it was the "so-called" moderate DEMOCRATS who still_one Dec 2019 #22

Progressive Democrats running in competitive House districts had a bad night on Tuesday Cha Dec 2019 #30

Appreciate the specifics Cha +++ still_one Dec 2019 #35

Yes. Just because the industry has been working with its friends in Congress redqueen Dec 2019 #36

Well we can't fix anything unless we win elections. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #64

I agree - I agree M4A can't be the initial goal - but it MUST BE the long term goal. redqueen Dec 2019 #78

Not M4A...how about a new plan that fits this country...some sort of universal coverage. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #97

WE ARE A PARTY DETERMINED to BEAT trump.. Cha Dec 2019 #24

Pete understands the urgency of the climate crisis in comparison to IndyOp Dec 2019 #27

Joe was the first to address the climate and has actually passed legislation...what exactly has Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #98

I love Warren and Sanders. But I agree with Joe. CousinIT Dec 2019 #32

Joe's 100% correct. RelativelyJones Dec 2019 #46

I think Joe's wrong... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #47

I think you're wrong. Cha Dec 2019 #49

I agree with Joe Biden on this Gothmog Dec 2019 #50

He is right...AOC can only win in a very blue blue district...doubt she would win a statewide race Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #51

He said that out loud. dchill Dec 2019 #52

The party has both factions as members. MineralMan Dec 2019 #54

Yes, we have always won with a big tent approach...Dean was very successful with a 50 Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #56

There are a lot of inexperienced people out there who have MineralMan Dec 2019 #63

I agree...we must stand together and accept diverse views...the Democratic party is Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #70

I don't have as much energy as I once did. MineralMan Dec 2019 #76

So...true. And I am optimistic...this primary is certainly not as bad as the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #100

We'll see. Right now, there are too many candidates, so there can't MineralMan Dec 2019 #101

I am hoping Biden wins decisively...and we have a nominee sooner rather than later. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #105

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #118

Yes, Political Realities. MineralMan Dec 2019 #120

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #122

OK. So what's your plan? MineralMan Dec 2019 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #132

Joe is whistling past the graveyard. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #57

What makes you think younger voters support AOC? Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #61

I don't see AOC as a bridge builder who can put any sort of winning comradebillyboy Dec 2019 #124

Yes... and that's no malarkey!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #135

He's right, as the 2018 elections demonstrated LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #62

The party has moved on. The electoral college swing states have moved little. Politicub Dec 2019 #65

In my opinion we cannot keep the status quo. Whoever is elected needs to make some major vsrazdem Dec 2019 #67

Joe Biden- If we move too far left, we will lose to Trump Gothmog Dec 2019 #68

VP Biden is right Baked Potato Dec 2019 #75

We need Young people to show up in droves and organize ritapria Dec 2019 #77

Young people don't turn out in droves. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #83

OK lunasun Dec 2019 #188

I'm with Joe. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #79

Totally agree with Joe Biden. democratisphere Dec 2019 #80

Democrats are center left and what works in liberal areas beachbumbob Dec 2019 #84

Biden's right. highplainsdem Dec 2019 #91

Come on Man!!! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #92

The party is now so far right that Nixon's positions are more liberal than many Dems. redqueen Dec 2019 #99

I'm worried! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #102

We are as clear as can be. We support liberal democracy. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #103

You mean the GOP talking point about Bernie being a (get your fainting couch under you)... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #108

Are you calling the self-description by BS of himself a Republican talking point? The Valley Below Dec 2019 #109

Both can be true: Bernie's description of himself can be easily made into a false... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #110

You seem to be the only one of us two who watches FOX. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #111

Sorry! But this is the Primaries. It gets rough sometimes. JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #112

There is no good excuse for you making personal insults Joe. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #113

Ain't that the truth. Sad that it's the MO of some on this site redstateblues Dec 2019 #159

Sorry Joe. The moniker that Bernie has chosen is a millstone redstateblues Dec 2019 #158

Whistling passed the graveyard redstateblues Dec 2019 #187

Let me know how you feel when we all celebrate President Sanders' election! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #190

Bernie could win the General but his problem is redstateblues Dec 2019 #200

You're not the only one who's worried Joe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #189

Ah yes. Nixon's so progressive positions... Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #171

Facts and reality get in the way for some people still_one Dec 2019 #172

LMFAO - I'll pass on replying to your bait or your insults. redqueen Dec 2019 #173

Nothing progressive about Nixon's racist stances. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #174

No kidding. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #176

Reductio ad absurdum. redqueen Dec 2019 #185

You said today's Democrats were way to the right of Nixon. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #193

lol no I didn't redqueen Dec 2019 #194

lol now you lying... Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #196

Yeah - read that again - I said POSITIONS redqueen Dec 2019 #197

lol nice save. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #198

That is ridiculous. Positions change over time. Or they should. redqueen Dec 2019 #199

Stop backtracking... Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #204

Thanks for de-bunking the BS. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #175

Moderate Dems made almost all of the gains in 2018. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #104

is that in overall numbers, or as a percentage? ProfessorPlum Dec 2019 #133

Biden's right. And he's pushing back against GOP ratfuckery. Scurrilous Dec 2019 #136

It was only natural that some in the party moved to the left in reaction to Trump maximusveritas Dec 2019 #137

It is what Susan Sarandon hoped for when she ratfucked our party. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #140

If the MSM would listen to Joe they just might learn something. oasis Dec 2019 #138

I agree with Joe Gothmog Dec 2019 #152

That's not useful rhetoric. It's divisive and way too simplistic. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #168

AOC won't gain any votes for us in PA, Michigan or Wisconsin. nt doc03 Dec 2019 #177

Even if she doesn't Turbineguy Dec 2019 #184

Joe is right. Thank goodness for his honesty. R B Garr Dec 2019 #192

Joe is right about this redstateblues Dec 2019 #202