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Garrett78

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10. I'm not talking about dropping out now.
Sat Dec 7, 2019, 05:50 PM
Dec 2019

Though, if he were a woman (or POC), a heart attack would have ended the Sanders campaign. And I don't think he should have gotten in the race. I think he should have just endorsed Warren once she got in the race.

Anyway, all that is beside the point. His support is different; it's cult-like. As with Trump, Sanders has a cult of personality. His following is substantial and loyal but it isn't going to grow much, if at all. Nor is it going to shrink much, if at all. No matter what he does or says. Whereas someone like Booker or Klobuchar doing well in Iowa could potentially propel them to the nomination (remember that Kerry was very low in the polls in late 2003), Sanders will essentially be done after New Hampshire (or at least Nevada).

Also, Sanders is the only candidate who ran in 2016 and the data we have from 2016 makes it clear that he won't be the nominee unless he can somehow do much, much, much better than last time among POC. I see zero reason to think that'll happen. You can't get your ass kicked among Black folks, in particular, and come anywhere close to winning the nomination. No way, no how. That's why we knew on Super Tuesday in 2016 that the race was over. A race that was tailor-made for Sanders, as he was *the* alternative to a polarizing frontrunner. He doesn't have that same advantage of a 1-on-1 race against a much-vilified opponent that he had in 2016, so the pressure on him to leave the race sooner will be stronger in 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
I'm not worried about states after New Hampshire JonLP24 Dec 2019 #1
I'm not a big Biden fan but he's a serious contender. Sanders isn't and never was. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #2
We will see JonLP24 Dec 2019 #3
Shrinking the electorate and setting us up to lose. MH1 Dec 2019 #4
Time will tell. I would hope he'll drop out (and endorse the nominee) sooner this time around. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #5
Well there are quite a few behind him and I don't see them dropping out anytime soon. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #9
I'm not talking about dropping out now. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #10
I guess you should direct that at Mayor Pete then. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #12
I've said that I think Buttigieg's alienation of Black folks will doom his campaign. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #13
IMO it will not be Buttigieg. He has been running for another job ever since he was elected Mayor. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #14
He's been mayor for 7 years. That's quite a while. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #15
Spot on. I'd rec your response if i could. -nt. Amimnoch Dec 2019 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #6
Sanders undoubtedly has a good deal of support in Kentucky. Here are the 2016 primary results: Garrett78 Dec 2019 #8
K&R NYMinute Dec 2019 #11
Sometimes, yes. In this case, I think it's just CNN being ignorant. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #19
K&R betsuni Dec 2019 #16
of course... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #17
No, it isn't growing, and that's the point. KY is precisely the type of state... Garrett78 Dec 2019 #18
His support IS growing! floppyboo Dec 2019 #21
and just gotta add this bit about older demographics: floppyboo Dec 2019 #22
more #'s 4 U: floppyboo Dec 2019 #23
Even if an increase in youth turnout went 100% to Sanders, which it wouldn't... Garrett78 Dec 2019 #24
... NYMinute Dec 2019 #20
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