Democratic Primaries

TomVilmer

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58. I was reacting to the lack of knowledge in most answers here...

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 06:57 AM

Dec 2019

... like others, who took good care of "Russia has never been our ally".

I think it a way cheap talking point to suggest that others are influenced/sympathetic to/paid for/ by Putin. If you would like a "talk", use better and more clean arguments, thanks!

Likewise, I do know and see the difference between opening up to Cuba and Iran, or expanding this as a military conflict.

For me the question is how this crazy world can survive, when big power chose brute force as a conflict resolution. And then: what to do different. Very much different.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bernie Sanders Wants a New NATO, Including Russia, to Fight ISIS - Still True? [View all] TomCADem Nov 2019 OP

Thank you. sheshe2 Nov 2019 #1

One of the reasons we have such poor relations with Russia is NATO booley Nov 2019 #2

We didn't include Russia in NATO because Russia has never been our ally. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #4

russia was never our ally except for that one time of course booley Nov 2019 #6

WE made Russia an enemy? Should a been nicer to Russia!? emmaverybo Nov 2019 #10

Say what????? wnylib Nov 2019 #14

Don't bother with this. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #15

Are You On the Same Page as Booley TomCADem Nov 2019 #43

Russia is an enemy that THEIR foreign policy created, not ours. Remember Khrushchev.... George II Nov 2019 #36

russia is trying to destroy us through trump... Cha Nov 2019 #37

+++ still_one Nov 2019 #38

Bravo, Cha! You tell em! emmaverybo Dec 2019 #53

With all due respect... HOGWASH. Happy Hoosier Nov 2019 #48

NATO exists *because of* Russia (the Soviet Union). The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #51

It's not very smart, is it? It shows complete ignorance... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #52

Russia has been our ally at least twice. totodeinhere Dec 2019 #56

I didn't recall those instances in history and I stand corrected. Thanks. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #57

I think it is refreshing that a Bernie Supporter Acknowledges Bernie's Pro-Russia/Anti-NATO... TomCADem Nov 2019 #41

So if some people are going to question Biden's wisdom over the IWR vote, TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #3

Not sure those two things are the same however. booley Nov 2019 #5

"I havent' seen anything to make me think Sanders doesn't' understand exactly what Russia is." TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #7

Right? betsuni Nov 2019 #8

Nothing. boomer_wv Nov 2019 #27

SMH! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #11

When you were talking about overthrowing a government Hav Nov 2019 #13

Sanders has a history of sticking up for Russia and Russians for some time... George II Nov 2019 #40

One can form coalitions with different partners for different purposes. As we were allied in WW2. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #21

Keep in mind that Bernie made this proposal after Russia invaded the Crimea. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #25

KR! Cha Nov 2019 #9

The official purpose of NATO... TomVilmer Nov 2019 #12

I don't hear him talking... Mike Nelson Nov 2019 #16

This would be insane. NATO exists to contain Russian imperialism, Hortensis Nov 2019 #17

Not insane. Sanders was not calling for Russia to join NATO. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #22

2015 -- before feedback caused him to back off. Hortensis Nov 2019 #24

But he wasn't calling for Russia to join NATO, even in 2015. thesquanderer Nov 2019 #29

But, let's not play with words. nt Hortensis Nov 2019 #31

What do you mean? (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2019 #34

Russia has borders with 14 nations (including an 11 mile strip of NoKo) Celerity Nov 2019 #46

Putin wants to restore borders to the former Soviet Union -- Hortensis Nov 2019 #47

Yes. It would be. Why would any sane person want such a thing? NurseJackie Nov 2019 #50

WHY is a really good question. A "new" NATO with a NEW mission Hortensis Dec 2019 #54

I could never trust Russia... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #18

And a nice establishment status quo Russian sauna. betsuni Nov 2019 #19

I am not sure if having Russia as part of this alliance is a good idea Gothmog Nov 2019 #20

Remember this was 2015. In 2012, Obama laughed when Romney said Russia was adversary #1. nt thesquanderer Nov 2019 #23

Link? TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #26

video clip... thesquanderer Nov 2019 #28

Turns out Mitt was right on that matter... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #33

Dmitry Medvedev Was President of Russia, Not Putin TomCADem Nov 2019 #42

Medvedev was Putin's puppet... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #44

So Is Trump... TomCADem Nov 2019 #45

Too true... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #49

Good question. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #30

Bernie seems overly fond of his Russian friends. It just comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #32

The Times They Are a-Changin' TomVilmer Nov 2019 #35

I Think There Is Difference Between Bernie Pushing a Putin Partnership... TomCADem Dec 2019 #55

I was reacting to the lack of knowledge in most answers here... TomVilmer Dec 2019 #58

You've Been On Fire Lately Me. Nov 2019 #39