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Showing Original Post only (View all)Why vote for Sanders when you can have Elizabeth Warren instead? [View all]
In the 2016 primary, Democratic voters were presented with a choice: Sanders, who represented the potential of redistributive policy, and Clinton, who represented the possibility of shattering, as she put it, the last, highest glass ceiling. She dismissed his ideas as impractical; his supporters attacked her with a virulent misogyny that belied their nominal commitments to equality. For leftist women, to express enthusiasm for Sanders policy proposals was seen as condoning the sexist attacks on Clinton. To defend Clinton from sexism meant that we would be accused of condoning the worst choices of her history. This choice, between Sanders and Clinton, redistribution and representation, has been the central conflict of American progressive politics in the years since. You can have either redistribution or representation, the thinking goes, but not both.
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Why would Democratic voters choose Sanders when Warren is running? The two are not ideologically identical, but the differences between their major policy stances, on regulation of financial services and the need to extend the welfare state, are relatively minor, especially compared to the rest of the field. Warren calls herself a capitalist, the Sanders partisans point out, while Sanders is unafraid of the label socialist. Thats one thing. But this point has the quality of a post-hoc rationalization. It is cited by those seeking a politically acceptable reason to vote for a man and not for a woman those who would vote for this man, and perhaps not any woman, no matter what.
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But Warrens primary virtue over Sanders is that she seems to understand the inextricable binds between racial and gender discrimination and the economic injustice that both candidates abhor. She has made statements about the reality of racial discrimination, how it compounds with economic injustice to keep people of color from entering and staying in the middle class.
Sanders, meanwhile, speaks about the struggles of the working class in reductionist and retro ways; he seems to hold an anachronistic understanding of the American worker as white and male, oppressed only by his bosses and not at the same time by the structures of racism and sexism.
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Why would Democratic voters choose Sanders when Warren is running? The two are not ideologically identical, but the differences between their major policy stances, on regulation of financial services and the need to extend the welfare state, are relatively minor, especially compared to the rest of the field. Warren calls herself a capitalist, the Sanders partisans point out, while Sanders is unafraid of the label socialist. Thats one thing. But this point has the quality of a post-hoc rationalization. It is cited by those seeking a politically acceptable reason to vote for a man and not for a woman those who would vote for this man, and perhaps not any woman, no matter what.
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But Warrens primary virtue over Sanders is that she seems to understand the inextricable binds between racial and gender discrimination and the economic injustice that both candidates abhor. She has made statements about the reality of racial discrimination, how it compounds with economic injustice to keep people of color from entering and staying in the middle class.
Sanders, meanwhile, speaks about the struggles of the working class in reductionist and retro ways; he seems to hold an anachronistic understanding of the American worker as white and male, oppressed only by his bosses and not at the same time by the structures of racism and sexism.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/20/sanders-elizabeth-warren-feminism-identity
This is my number one frustration with old white male socialists - they have no understanding of and do not wish to understand that identity politics has a place if progressive agendas' are ever going to be successful. They come from a position of white male privilege, and however much they want to see change they will always see change through that prism. It is what it is. But in 2019 there are other, better choices.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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"corporatist, "third-way""conservadem", bank-and-industry-money-establishment"Blah Blah Blah..
Cha
Feb 2019
#47
"No more corporatist, third-way, conservadem, bank-and-industry-money-establishment type Democrat."
lapucelle
Feb 2019
#51
I supported Bernie, voted for Hillary. But want to move on from both of them at this point. nt
USALiberal
Feb 2019
#4
I like Elizabeth Warren and have voted for her. However I find that the the comments you made about
CentralMass
Feb 2019
#7
The good thing about Sanders running is that two unelectable candidates will split the vote
Renew Deal
Feb 2019
#8
yeah some "centrist" who will continue to block a good healthcare program most likely. nt
m-lekktor
Feb 2019
#9
New Hampshire is a crucial state for both, and they'll hurt one another's chances of winning there.
Garrett78
Feb 2019
#21
For one thing, her work on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has helped a lot of people
emulatorloo
Feb 2019
#28
Bernie is clearly the most accomplished of all the candidates running. Only Biden would worry me...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2019
#55
Joe is polling well but it's probably a lot to do with name recognition. n/t
totodeinhere
Feb 2019
#56
Yes, check out the New Hampshire polls... Bernie has broken out into the lead over Biden.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2019
#58
It's a tough choice between Bernie and Liz. I'm glad I don't have to decide yet.
earthshine
Mar 2019
#77
I prefer people who weren't republicans as adults during Reagan and Bush 1
Hassin Bin Sober
Mar 2019
#81