Based on this forum, it seems like no Dem can win.

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12. DU is like going to the horse races.

Some horses win, some horses lose, and most people spend a lot of time talking about who will win, who will lose, and why things will or won't happen. We could come here and all post pretty pictures and talk about how great our favorite candidate is, but we would not learn very much doing that. One of about 12 candidates is going to be the nominee, and we better figure out who should or should not be the nominee before next summer. The whole reason why the Primary Season is so long is so that we have lots of time to discuss things with others. I believe that when it is crystal clear who the nominee is, about 90% of this will disappear right away.

Do I think Joe Biden has twice as much chance as beating Trump as Bernie Sanders does? Yes, I do. However, if Bernie Sanders wins the nomination, will I think he will be 1000 times better than Trump? Yes, I will. I can think that my candidate is way better than someone else's and still remember that they are both much better than Trump. What I don't understand is why we keep having to explain this to people. I've been on the internet for 25 years, and before that, I was on AOL, and Prodigy, and Compuserve, and computer BBS systems. I was posting stuff on bulletin boards in the mid-1980s. It is always the same. People get into arguments about everything you can imagine. Yet, I will tell you this. It was the people who I fought with the most who taught me the most. Also, the people who gave me the toughest arguments were some of the smartest people that I ever ran into.

I am not afraid of arguing with people. I will only be afraid when people stop arguing, and when all people ever do is say friendly things to each other. America's Got Talent only works because someone is willing to say the painful truth, no matter whose feelings are hurt. When you are in a battle of wits with someone, and you come up with a brilliant comeback, do you sign off and swear off computers, never to come back, or to you keep checking to see if they responded?

We're not in nursery school. People who cannot handle disagreement can simply leave. Everyone knows that during the primary season, this group is the fiercest group on the whole board. Do you know who the most convincing people are when it comes to choosing someone to vote for? It is the people who have had every argument there is about every candidate. Every time they have an argument, their defenses get better, their thinking gets better, their reasoning gets better.

As I mentioned earlier, I am not afraid of arguments. I am only afraid of living in a society where arguments never occur. When that happens, it means that The Stepford Wives, the Replicants, or the Androids have taken over. Or it means that we are living in the former Soviet Union. Do not be afraid of arguing. Instead, simply concentrate on learning how to argue well and on learning how to win an argument without getting too insluting or fighting too dirty. That's because, if you can only win an argument by being insulting or fighting dirty, you don't really deserve to win, and sooner or later, everyone will figure that out.