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Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:42 PM Jan 2020

How Negative Is Sanders Willing to Go? [View all]




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or example, the Sanders campaign sent out an edited transcript of something Biden said about Social Security, claiming that he agreed with former Republican Speaker Paul Ryan. Politifact rated that statement false. Here is the part of the speech they left out.
Now, I don’t know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I don’t know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.

Since the campaign got caught in that lie, Sanders supporters have attempted to claim that Biden has been advocating for cutting Social Security for 40 years. As is often the case with disinformation, that is based on a half-truth. To solve a budget impasse in 1995, Biden supported a freeze on all federal spending, including cost of living adjustments to Social Security. Then there was his support for an Obama proposal to change the way cost of living increases were calculated, including both the income tax tables and Social Security. But the Sanders campaign turned those positions into an accusation that Biden attempted to “slash Social Security.”
An honest look at the totality of Biden’s position on Social Security would come from listening to Jared Bernstein, a progressive economist who served as an advisor to the former vice president.


.....Some of us spoke up when Sanders hired David Sirota because his modus operandi was obvious to anyone who knew his history. Sirota has a reputation of being a ruthless attack dog. The campaign had to know that when they hired him. But now it seems that Sirota went too far with his attacks and his boss has been forced to apologize.

It is clear that the Sanders campaign will rely on attacks against his opponents. But this latest incident demonstrates that they are still struggling with where the boundaries are for those negative attacks. It is good to know that, at least for the candidate himself, accusing Biden of being corrupt is outside the boundary.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Just wait until the primary losses start piling up. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #1
The way it looks now, there will be four losses for that candidate before Super Tuesday, when..... George II Jan 2020 #15
that dude REALLY thinks he's gonna' catch that thing? (nt) stopdiggin Jan 2020 #29
Curious that this OP and string run well AFTER stopdiggin Jan 2020 #28
Then he doubled down in a tweet tonight BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #30
I think you're probably right. stopdiggin Jan 2020 #31
WE will see them, they'll deny them. :) Hortensis Jan 2020 #41
I'm looking forward to Bloomberg taking Bernie to task; imagine the ads LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #2
:) He's doing good ads, all right. But I think he would only if Hortensis Jan 2020 #42
Aaaaaand, here they are; took less than a month: LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #59
Biden has vowed to protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid way back in his campaigning, emmaverybo Jan 2020 #3
I absolutely loathe Bernie Sanders. NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #4
Agree with your distaste for sanders. I admire your willingness to leave the dem party Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #6
I'd only leave the party ... NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #17
Agree on the BS character problem. Fear that BS is a 3rd Party threat - given his character. empedocles Jan 2020 #36
That's an interesting perspective BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #7
I would vote for him squirecam Jan 2020 #12
I hear ya.. way Cha Jan 2020 #24
LOL I LOVE THIS!!!! RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #33
Agree, but I wouldn't give the Repub-Russia-anti-Democrats Hortensis Jan 2020 #39
Bravo Nancy! I share your sentiments about bernie. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #48
Did Biden really do this, or not? From the above: JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #5
I Guess By Your Logic, Bernie Is Pro-Gun, Anti-Immigrant, Pro-Russia and Pro-F-35 TomCADem Jan 2020 #10
Add to that list his vote against CHIP. Children's Health Insurance Program Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #18
And Amber Alert. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #25
Don't forget the school lunch program! Hortensis Jan 2020 #43
Overheard somewhere: pfeiffer Jan 2020 #11
Well done! PatSeg Jan 2020 #16
Thank you!! Therein lies the truth of it Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #19
Thanks for posting Sanders' deceit and Joe's truth. Hortensis Jan 2020 #37
Why ask that, isn't the issue "cutting" Social Security? Back when Obama was considering... George II Jan 2020 #13
Please answer my questions before attacking ME! ntn JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #21
Sorry, I did answer the question, you're just not satisfied with the (true) answers. George II Jan 2020 #22
That's their answer when they can't answer the question put to them Butterflylady Jan 2020 #55
I notice your daughter is somewhat restrained in her coverage Hortensis Jan 2020 #38
Why don't you fucking attack the motherfukkking republikkkans who were holding up the budget NBachers Jan 2020 #26
com'on stopdiggin Jan 2020 #27
I think there are no limits. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #8
just watch Skittles Jan 2020 #9
Bottomless. democratisphere Jan 2020 #14
Just imagine how bad it would be if he hadn't taken "the pledge". oasis Jan 2020 #20
LOL Scurrilous Jan 2020 #32
Hopefully he won't release a photo of Obama in a turban like someone did a number of years back Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #23
Too bad BS campaign does this... Cha Jan 2020 #35
Yeah, that was really low. I think that was the lowest I have ever seen. Autumn Jan 2020 #54
I'd pretend she's relevant to the current campaign too. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #56
I just wish it would stop on all sides. As if fearing Trump prevailing were not bad enough.... hlthe2b Jan 2020 #34
Sure. Nice wish. But might as well wish dirty campaigners Hortensis Jan 2020 #44
No. The campaign staff (of multiple candidates) launching lie campaigns is not about defeating Trump hlthe2b Jan 2020 #46
No to false comparisons, BIG no, and to pretending Hortensis Jan 2020 #47
First of all, I did not include your chosen candidate. Why would YOU? hlthe2b Jan 2020 #49
In fact, you included ALL of them in this scurrilous insult. Hortensis Jan 2020 #50
Wow. So to YOU, asking for civility and focus on our true opponent, Trump is a "scurrilous insult?" hlthe2b Jan 2020 #51
Politifact Wrong About the Biden/Paul Ryan Quote Billsmile Jan 2020 #40
No. Politifact's conclusion that Sanders lied is correct. Hortensis Jan 2020 #45
When pie-in-the-sky free stuff doesn't work NYMinute Jan 2020 #52
....sometimes i wonder which side those surrogates are really working for.. samnsara Jan 2020 #53
Does sanders and his staff of liars get tired of being exposed as liars? Gothmog Jan 2020 #57
Why did sanders call for cuts to social security? Gothmog Jan 2020 #58
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