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mike_c

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98. life isn't always fair to everyone...
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jan 2020

...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can for those we can do for. That is why everyone finances public schools whether they have school aged children or not. I would happily pay taxes to provide relief where we can, instead of endless wars for endless profits. The argument that we shouldn't have to help support people who we think made poor decisions is unworthy of Democrats, IMO.

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Exactly cilla4progress Jan 2020 #1
No, it's not squirecam Jan 2020 #28
You don't get ss unless you're over 66. dawg day Jan 2020 #43
You are wrong about SS. MicaelS Jan 2020 #88
I know... reduced rate before 66. dawg day Jan 2020 #93
People who were 85 at the start of Social Security didn't get retroactive payments dragonlady Jan 2020 #64
And everyone will benefit from the debt relief as well kcr Jan 2020 #67
'zactly cilla4progress Jan 2020 #72
Do you have any college age kids? BlueWI Jan 2020 #82
I do not squirecam Jan 2020 #83
Having college age children is just a reference point. BlueWI Jan 2020 #84
I wish she hadn't used social security as an example jimfields33 Jan 2020 #45
It's a poor example.... squirecam Jan 2020 #47
True. jimfields33 Jan 2020 #49
It was a perfect example kcr Jan 2020 #68
Time will tell jimfields33 Jan 2020 #74
Actually, once SS started, only those who paid into it got it. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #85
Recommended. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #2
A whole lot of DUers agree with the selfish father. There was a huge thread on it last night. LonePirate Jan 2020 #7
That's because he wasn't selfish. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #10
Yes he was/is. He didn't want Warren helping other people obtain an education. LonePirate Jan 2020 #11
It was clear from what he said that he didn't see why the government should pick up the highplainsdem Jan 2020 #12
He was selfish, and short sighted. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #15
No one forced those students to borrow massive amounts. The ones who borrowed the most did so highplainsdem Jan 2020 #23
My son in law borrowed over 35,000. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #40
That's under $150/mo over 20 years, and I think the loan balance is forgiven after 20 years. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #53
My son in law and daughter had to wait to buy a house. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #60
People with lower incomes because they don't have degrees have to wait, too, if they can ever highplainsdem Jan 2020 #62
So, making college less affordable and accessible makes sense? kcr Jan 2020 #69
Didn't say anything like that. I like Biden's plan: highplainsdem Jan 2020 #70
But, but, but. Wuttabout the public servants who did the right thing? kcr Jan 2020 #71
They don't have to watch others being given debt forgiveness for nothing. And I imagine if any highplainsdem Jan 2020 #73
Well, yes they do. They paid for their college. Their new colleagues don't. kcr Jan 2020 #75
Laughable. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #76
I can see subsiding the cost of attending a state school The Mouth Jan 2020 #66
And that might be easier to accomplish. eom guillaumeb Jan 2020 #86
Only in tupsy-turvy world are those who pay their own way considered "selfish" and those The Valley Below Jan 2020 #51
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Jan 2020 #55
I never thought I was being "selfish" calguy Jan 2020 #54
I agree with her! David__77 Jan 2020 #3
This is going to be... pfeiffer Jan 2020 #4
If Democrats support policies of virtuous cruelty and selfishness, they will lose in November nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #6
Bingo! If voters want cruelty and selfishness, 45 will win them over each and every time. LonePirate Jan 2020 #9
+1 Kurt V. Jan 2020 #77
Yup, extremely tone deaf on her part Amishman Jan 2020 #14
It will get much tougher as word gets out that her plan, like Sanders', provides most of the highplainsdem Jan 2020 #18
It's like the ones against free public tuition bigbrother05 Jan 2020 #5
And the free education squirecam Jan 2020 #32
No, it isn't. Social Security was never offering tens of thousands of dollars (or potenteially highplainsdem Jan 2020 #8
OK. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #30
???? Have never heard anyone whining about that. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #33
Uh huh. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #37
Still have no idea what you're talking about, since there's nothing in there about millennials and highplainsdem Jan 2020 #41
Your failure to recognize hyperbole notwithstanding... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #42
You do see it's about changing tastes, don't you? highplainsdem Jan 2020 #46
To what squirecam Jan 2020 #34
Would say forgive all debt equal to the cost of the closest, least expensive The Mouth Jan 2020 #13
Right squirecam Jan 2020 #36
Yes, everybody knows where that talking point comes from. It is major CRINGE m-lekktor Jan 2020 #16
Obama admin Treasury official: highplainsdem Jan 2020 #19
Trump Education Dept Official Urges Student Loan Forgiveness BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #21
Did you notice Johnson recommended that people who'd already paid their debt get a $50,000 credit? highplainsdem Jan 2020 #26
Point is you're to the right of a Trumper BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #31
No, I'm not to the right of a Trumper. I've never said I'm an absolute no on loan relief. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #35
So you agree with Warren that we shouldn't avoid addressing the BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #38
Biden's plan makes much more sense than Warren's: highplainsdem Jan 2020 #56
When people get riled about this they really ought to stop and think about all the handouts to corps captain queeg Jan 2020 #17
+1 nt backtoblue Jan 2020 #44
In similar condition tiredtoo Jan 2020 #20
It is very hard to get SSDI The Mouth Jan 2020 #24
Well ok tiredtoo Jan 2020 #50
So you are squirecam Jan 2020 #59
No that is not what i said. tiredtoo Jan 2020 #80
All I know is that it requires pretty solid medical evidence The Mouth Jan 2020 #65
No i think most of the people on SSDI need it tiredtoo Jan 2020 #79
I'm a little split on this... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #22
I was listening to a financial-advice show last year where a parent asked if she should take highplainsdem Jan 2020 #29
Well she starts this fall.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #57
Social Security didn't exclude people who had already saved for retirement Jose Garcia Jan 2020 #25
Exactly squirecam Jan 2020 #39
No, but it didn't reimburse them either. kcr Jan 2020 #78
K&R! redqueen Jan 2020 #27
You have to start somewhere matt819 Jan 2020 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jan 2020 #52
Really bad argument.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #58
Although *CURRENTLY* the any 'wealth tax' The Mouth Jan 2020 #81
This isn't a good argument. Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #61
Everyone who NEEDS loan relief should get it, IMO. mike_c Jan 2020 #63
How does one define who actually "needs" relief ? MichMan Jan 2020 #87
These are all good questions squirecam Jan 2020 #91
Just because the questions are difficult.... killaphill Jan 2020 #95
There seems to be a lot of people that you're mad at. mike_c Jan 2020 #97
That is totally absurd dsc Jan 2020 #89
It will never pass squirecam Jan 2020 #92
life isn't always fair to everyone... mike_c Jan 2020 #98
Doesn't Elizabeth's proposal have a means test? Won't the very rich be ineligible for student loan totodeinhere Jan 2020 #90
No, the unfairness is that it's a lot of money going to some very well-off people Recursion Jan 2020 #94
Actually she is wrong on the facts. former9thward Jan 2020 #96
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