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Rilgin

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136. Is calling him a con man a bash or an opinion a fact good?

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 02:05 PM

Feb 2020

Last edited Sun Feb 2, 2020, 04:04 PM - Edit history (1)

This thread has people calling Bernie a con man. Is that a Bash? You didn't but you have a hard time with the definition of "fact".

It is not anywhere close to a fact that Bernie is unelectable. In every way imaginable that is an opinion. You are entitled to your opinions but it is inauthentic and wrong to assert that your opinion is "fact". Especially given polls that show he can win. The existence of auch polls is a "fact". You can argue that it is your Opinion that the polls are wrong.

Better yet would be to refrain from bashing/attacking/joining endless daily negative posts about a candidate that FACTUALLY is supported by significant numbers of democratic voters adding unneeded division into a race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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How do you fall for the Bernie Sanders scam? Martin O'Malley [View all] Scurrilous Feb 2020 OP

Huge K&R MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #1

Thanks. I've been waiting for someone to say this. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #2

Same here Gothmog Feb 2020 #122

They can't explain it. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #131

lol.. Huge KICK! Cha Feb 2020 #251

Just leaving this here. Trump just called Bernie a communist during pre-Superbowl interview. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #169

Sanders is a "stalwart of the NRA"? DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #3

He was against the Brady Bill and background checks still_one Feb 2020 #7

I found that online. Thanks DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #10

The NRA spent a lot of money bashing his House opponent back when he ran years ago.... George II Feb 2020 #80

Is it any wonder Fred Guttenberg doesn't want Cha Feb 2020 #286

Sanders' gun votes are again a potential liability among Democratic base Scurrilous Feb 2020 #9

Bernie is always "too busy" to explain his votes or actions. yardwork Feb 2020 #51

I've seen him do that a lot. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #89

Yep, he has a good excuse too. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #156

Democratic and gun-owning here methinks2 Feb 2020 #105

I am a gun owner, too. murielm99 Feb 2020 #160

It's about issues methinks2 Feb 2020 #106

Looks like a meeting went south. It happens. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #129

Thanks. murielm99 Feb 2020 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Scurrilous Feb 2020 #36

No problem! Almost posted the wrong comment to you. LOL Scurrilous Feb 2020 #38

I agree, I am glad to see this post. I liked O'Malley best in 2016. MH1 Feb 2020 #79

Martin O'Malley? .... The name rings a bell. Didn't he host a game show or something? lutherj Feb 2020 #5

No he brought marriage equality to MD dsc Feb 2020 #17

... handmade34 Feb 2020 #60

He ended capital punishment in Maryland and got hospital bills to decrease Recursion Feb 2020 #26

I had to look up his Hospital Global Budgeting Plan IronLionZion Feb 2020 #264

It's great stuff, unfortunately it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker (nt) Recursion Feb 2020 #270

I supported him in 2016, but he dropped out before the CA primary Celerity Feb 2020 #265

Some folks can't see through con men. showblue22 Feb 2020 #6

+1, Trump copied Bernie. When a con man copies you, R B Garr Feb 2020 #11

He couldn't con the Daily News. They told him his answers 'weren't really answers.' Scurrilous Feb 2020 #43

Lol I remember that. showblue22 Feb 2020 #58

The media doesn't seem to. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #96

lol, I remember that. R B Garr Feb 2020 #127

The "I don't know" interview. betsuni Feb 2020 #201

Isn't it. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #204

So true Cha Feb 2020 #260

Someone needs to explain to me gab13by13 Feb 2020 #8

Not bashing. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #12

this is "Democratic Underground" handmade34 Feb 2020 #13

What are his policies that are not bed rock Democratic? gab13by13 Feb 2020 #30

ok... handmade34 Feb 2020 #49

+100000 Pachamama Feb 2020 #102

I live in Miami. A lot of the voters, older exilios mostly, think Democrats are communists. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #116

I share your core values and analysis of the situation hangaleft Feb 2020 #289

Amen! Paka Feb 2020 #75

The policies aren't necessarily the problem. cab67 Feb 2020 #90

Bernie was (rightly) dubbed the Amendment King ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #202

He's never been President rpannier Feb 2020 #59

Though the forum rules specifically mention him under the "No Bashing" section whopis01 Feb 2020 #70

There's a fine line between "bashing" and warning. cab67 Feb 2020 #92

Is calling him a con man a bash or an opinion a fact good? Rilgin Feb 2020 #136

Those polls are worthless. cab67 Feb 2020 #222

I did not cite a poll to claim he will win Rilgin Feb 2020 #223

He's not going to be our nominee. showblue22 Feb 2020 #16

There are far too many real Democrats with good memories Gothmog Feb 2020 #120

This is an Op Ed from the Guardian talking about his record, not bashing. Obviously you haven't still_one Feb 2020 #21

Oh I get it now, gab13by13 Feb 2020 #41

I too will support the eventual nominee. Its not going to be Sanders. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #48

So, I don't want to put words in your mouth, gab13by13 Feb 2020 #81

I'm saying he's finished once the primaries are over; oldsoftie Feb 2020 #107

If the DNC are so biased against Bernard awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #138

I will support the Democratic nominee, enthusiastically against trump, unlike some who still_one Feb 2020 #68

+1 2naSalit Feb 2020 #86

Thank you! Cha Feb 2020 #257

Stating facts is not bashing. we can do it Feb 2020 #27

Oh, you can get a hide HERE if you state facts that people dont like! oldsoftie Feb 2020 #54

Bernie's base of support on DU doesn't have the numbers it used to... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #72

does Bernie's base really not "have the numbers it used to here" RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #103

It is when it comes to Sanders. MontanaMama Feb 2020 #126

This Will Continue Until the Election McKim Feb 2020 #46

I would love to understand how sanders' magical voter revolution works in the real world Gothmog Feb 2020 #119

I missed that. I don't think it's that much well thought out. At all. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #142

Cusak is now competing with Sarandon and Moore for being the most ignorant Gothmog Feb 2020 #144

I guess I do too. but who knows what lurked beneath? Cha Feb 2020 #234

LOL Scurrilous Feb 2020 #235

lol... wow, cusack.. "..vagues threats.." get a grip.. or not. Cha Feb 2020 #236

Enthusiastic followers aren't always a good thing. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #158

Senator Sanders has only received 10% support at DU. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #159

It's been this way since 2016 despite explicit rules supposedly preventing it. Kentonio Feb 2020 #230

These threads are permitted in this forum until we actually have a nominee democrattotheend Feb 2020 #244

I'm not allowed to say. Bradical79 Feb 2020 #246

sanders is a weak candidate Gothmog Feb 2020 #259

K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #14

... Scurrilous Feb 2020 #150

couldn't have said it better! handmade34 Feb 2020 #15

I find it ouija Feb 2020 #19

When the Sanders campaign hired Jill Stein supporter Brianna Joy Gray, Hillary hating David still_one Feb 2020 #29

Vetting is not bashing. brush Feb 2020 #84

It's great to see people finally say this. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #148

I've said those words on Twitter. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #151

Registering disagreement. ramen Feb 2020 #18

A lot of people know Bernie Sanders is..... Scurrilous Feb 2020 #23

I'm not following you, ramen Feb 2020 #91

Just add what Martin said about Bernie to my reply title. The bad thing. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #100

You forgot a few things to add Rilgin Feb 2020 #165

It's an observation. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #175

There will be plenty of time to unite showblue22 Feb 2020 #28

How you do fall for Martin O'Malley? Maggiemayhem Feb 2020 #20

Lousy crabbing. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #31

Face it. Some BS supporters are as 'stubborn', as are some magats for trump. empedocles Feb 2020 #22

Do you mean JB supporters? There, fixed it. nt babylonsister Feb 2020 #35

The sword cuts both ways. Some would argue this is part of the vetting process, and I think there still_one Feb 2020 #61

Face it. BS cost us in 2016. We all know the finger pointing, more about putin, empedocles Feb 2020 #87

Didn't help, but it was Comey and the media still_one Feb 2020 #101

That was another one. empedocles Feb 2020 #133

You fixed nothing...you've made a mistake. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #139

Droll empedocles Feb 2020 #143

sanders supporters are doxxing u ion leaders Gothmog Feb 2020 #274

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #24

They fear change, gab13by13 Feb 2020 #32

The Sanders campaign has made it clear what they think of unity by hiring Jill Stein supporter still_one Feb 2020 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #42

You are mostly right. Still, some of this is the vetting process, and it hasn't been just still_one Feb 2020 #47

There it is. yardwork Feb 2020 #52

Unity? A bit late. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #153

Pls explain his dismal performance in the Daily News interview. brush Feb 2020 #88

That interview was a pure train wreck for sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #124

It was keeper. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #154

If it was truly a revolution and resonating then more people will be on board. BS #'s are FLAT. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #140

Senator Sanders is stuck at 10% support at DU. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #183

I am STILL a HUGE fan of BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #25

I share your enthusiasm. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #34

I also like O'Malley Gothmog Feb 2020 #123

So am I, BlueMT, elleng Feb 2020 #134

Sanders major league bungle. Disaster for Bernie Sanders. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #33

We ouija Feb 2020 #40

Yes, it harms us all! McKim Feb 2020 #50

Even more harm will come in the GE if repugs do the vetting on Sanders. This info needs to get out. brush Feb 2020 #93

Damn right. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #108

I am glad that sanders is being vetted finally Gothmog Feb 2020 #275

Here is a transcript of the NY Daily News interview you referenced still_one Feb 2020 #53

OMFG Scurrilous Feb 2020 #67

It is on the record. still_one Feb 2020 #69

You know what pisses me off. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #74

I agree. Biden probably has had the most stringent vetting of all our candidates, with a lot of still_one Feb 2020 #77

And they are still saying "Hillary." murielm99 Feb 2020 #161

Remember this? Hillary 11 hours on the hot seat Emerging unscathed. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #170

sanders totally fell apart in that interview Gothmog Feb 2020 #225

Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #232

+1 betsuni Feb 2020 #233

K+R njhoneybadger Feb 2020 #37

Thanks. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #155

How I fell for Bernie Cartoonist Feb 2020 #44

Delaware was the banking hub of the nation showblue22 Feb 2020 #62

You make a good observation. Blue_true Feb 2020 #115

You know I keep hearing about Butterflylady Feb 2020 #65

Bankruptcy was not prohibited, just made more difficult to obtain MichMan Feb 2020 #71

He has more weakness than just that still_one Feb 2020 #73

His crime is stated in the Guardian article. In the title. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #167

Good for OMalley trying to stay relevant! aikoaiko Feb 2020 #45

He is a "no-show" this time because he has the good sense to realize it is not his time. Unlike MH1 Feb 2020 #95

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #55

Has anyone noticed how crazy insane trump supporters are? MyNameGoesHere Feb 2020 #56

and that is why whoever our candidate is, he better be a strong candidate to push back against the still_one Feb 2020 #64

LOL. I don't think Martin has his finger on the pulse of the nation. jalan48 Feb 2020 #57

Actually I think he does. Cha Feb 2020 #268

K&R betsuni Feb 2020 #63

Not Democrats dbinfla Feb 2020 #66

+10 nt reACTIONary Feb 2020 #98

... Scurrilous Feb 2020 #145

Thanks for posting PatSeg Feb 2020 #76

You're welcome. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #130

Divide and conquer. If Putin can get you up in arms against Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #78

I Thank Martin O'Malley for Shing the LIGHT! Cha Feb 2020 #166

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #82

Bernie is winning. James48 Feb 2020 #83

Sometimes when you claim you are winning calguy Feb 2020 #125

Sanders Surging Poll Rising /Rising Poll Surging Sanders Scurrilous Feb 2020 #157

That's where "the revolution" will remain--in the air. Only Bernie and supporters have seen it, in emmaverybo Feb 2020 #137

No BS is Not "winning". Cha Feb 2020 #164

Yes, he is. James48 Feb 2020 #181

Nope. Cha Feb 2020 #182

Cherrypicking. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #228

I'm not into talk of a revolution showblue22 Feb 2020 #173

There's a John Cusack tweet somewhere in this thread where he talks of '68 blah blah Scurrilous Feb 2020 #178

Message from 1776: PETRUS Feb 2020 #195

Folks, this is NOT bashing calguy Feb 2020 #85

Senator Warren found that out. Blue_true Feb 2020 #117

'It's about time.' Amen! Scurrilous Feb 2020 #179

K&R greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #94

He stepped up today big time. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #197

K&R brer cat Feb 2020 #97

Thanks. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #198

K&R reACTIONary Feb 2020 #99

Thanks. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #200

Thank you for this. bitterross Feb 2020 #104

I agree totally. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #112

Even with a Democratic Senate eilen Feb 2020 #237

'...but Democrats do not.' Scurrilous Feb 2020 #240

This message was self-deleted by its author OliverQ Feb 2020 #109

Another rule is "Don't interfere with forum moderation" Hav Feb 2020 #111

O'Malley makes good points Hav Feb 2020 #110

'...why do people fall for this scam?' Scurrilous Feb 2020 #171

O'Malley absolutely freaking nailed it. Spot on. Blue_true Feb 2020 #113

Yes he did. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #212

K&R! This needs to go viral! highplainsdem Feb 2020 #114

Thanks hpd! Scurrilous Feb 2020 #177

I agree with Martin Gothmog Feb 2020 #118

wonderbitch used to post here I think. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #184

You are correrct Gothmog Feb 2020 #248

Is she Black Professor? Scurrilous Feb 2020 #278

Thanks! Cha Feb 2020 #258

I like O'Malley; wish he had done better in 2016. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #121

... Scurrilous Feb 2020 #185

Bernie likes to bring up the Iraq vote, but gun related deaths are in the millions ecstatic Feb 2020 #128

Bernie plays by his own rules. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #190

Very sorry to see this, one possibly pro-O'Malley post after all these years elleng Feb 2020 #132

I know several #NeverBernie Democrats. Zolorp Feb 2020 #135

I agree with you. I have big issues with Bernie but am not #NeverBernie. MH1 Feb 2020 #172

Whoosh! peggysue2 Feb 2020 #141

I almost choked when I saw this. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #199

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #146

And to his students. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #203

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #209

Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #211

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #213

I see a lot of peer pressure involved with that. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #214

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #217

K&R musette_sf Feb 2020 #147

Thanks. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #207

Trump would love to run against a socialist like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #149

Exactly! The socialism is perfect for Trump because he doens't have to know or R B Garr Feb 2020 #162

teve Schmidt warns that the sociopath will beat the socialist. Gothmog Feb 2020 #249

Two words - free college and loan forgiveness Dream Girl Feb 2020 #152

Where is this interview with the New York Daily News that they are referring to? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #163

Here: betsuni Feb 2020 #192

This original post is reprehensible! Rilgin Feb 2020 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #174

Martin O'Malley speaks the Truth! Cha Feb 2020 #180

Look in the Mirror Rilgin Feb 2020 #186

Follow your own advice.. Martin O'Malley Speaks the Truth. Cha Feb 2020 #187

Am disgusted bye. Rilgin Feb 2020 #191

Ii am disgusted that Martin O'Malley's statement Cha Feb 2020 #219

LOL! "embarassed for me" because I stand up for Martin Cha Feb 2020 #266

Excuse me, but you said that Hillary Clinton was worse than Karle Rove LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #189

You might want to post a link where I called Hillary something Rilgin Feb 2020 #194

Sure: LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #196

Uh, whoops. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #205

Oh, dear. betsuni Feb 2020 #208

smh Cha Feb 2020 #267

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #218

Oh snap! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2020 #229

Prove him wrong. Post Bernie's plan to pass his legislation through the Senate. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #216

Its too bad you do not see it might be wrong to call Democratic Candidates Con Men. Rilgin Feb 2020 #220

Thank you for supporting Elizabeth Warren. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #226

Martin is making the same point that Hillary is making-sanders is over promising Gothmog Feb 2020 #250

Thank You.. Shine the Light! Cha Feb 2020 #279

sanders does not have a magic wand and so there will be no magic voter revolution Gothmog Feb 2020 #281

Wow.. we heard it! Cha Feb 2020 #282

I only have one comment about that quote hangaleft Feb 2020 #290

Bloomberg echos some of Martin's attacks Gothmog Feb 2020 #292

AMJOY-sanders would easily lose Florida due to socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #256

I've been wondering the same thing for years nini Feb 2020 #176

If this isn't addressed, we'll end up with a ton of disenchanted young people. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #215

Bernie may mean well, but should he appoint a bunch of inept lefties oasis Feb 2020 #188

sanders has shown some very poor judgement in staffing decisions Gothmog Feb 2020 #206

I sure would love to see the answers O'Malley got. LisaM Feb 2020 #193

Remember Trump has millions of supporters too Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #210

Wow what a fucking pack of lies ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #221

trump would destroy a very weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #224

Only 9% of Clinton voters are supporting sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #227

Wow. Really? Hillary supporters were the Democratic base. I imagine they are looking for the krissey Feb 2020 #231

They're not taken in by him. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #261

I agree Gothmog Feb 2020 #262

Like the 65+ age group and its 4% approval rate for Bernie. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #263

Thank you Gov. O'Malley. You're a man of clarity and audacious truth. NCProgressive Feb 2020 #238

"I don't get the appeal" Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #239

Beware of people who surround themselves with lying, ratfucking sycophants dalton99a Feb 2020 #242

'Nobody Should Earn More Than $1 Million' - Bernie Sanders Scurrilous Feb 2020 #243

This article really pisses me off democrattotheend Feb 2020 #245

I love this comment from Martin Gothmog Feb 2020 #247

... Scurrilous Feb 2020 #277

Steve Bannon: Bernie people have helped to elect Trump and they'll do it again. Gothmog Feb 2020 #252

saw that. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #253

Republicans and Russia are going to manipulate Bernie Bros again... Gothmog Feb 2020 #254

Look at all the problems in Iowa. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #255

Bernie Sanders be like... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #269

Socialsim and being over 75 are a bad combo Gothmog Feb 2020 #271

Yes they are. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #272

Kick the heck up to the 1st Page! Cha Feb 2020 #273

Sanders would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #283

Thank you for that! Cha Feb 2020 #284

Joe Biden-sanders has no legislative accomplishments Gothmog Feb 2020 #285

Timely Kick Cha Feb 2020 #276

sanders does not have a magic wand and there will be no magic voter revolution Gothmog Feb 2020 #280

Two week anniversary party. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #287

Texas Demcorats are worried about sanders killing down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #288

Not helpful. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #291

Martin O'Malley SPEAKS FOR ME!! Thank you! NurseJackie Feb 2020 #293