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Garrett78

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33. Clearly, as I already said, Iowa's impact this year has been dampened. In general, though...
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 11:05 PM
Feb 2020

...it's foolish and historically inaccurate to say Iowa doesn't matter (and even this year it's not meaningless). IA and NH always have an outsized influence on the narrative. And, usually, a candidate drops out after Iowa--that wouldn't happen if it didn't mean anything. In 2016 it was O'Malley. In 2008 it was Biden and Dodd. In 2004 it was Gephardt. And so on.

There's a reason why, outside of the DU bubble, the consensus is that Biden benefits from the mess that is Iowa (while the wind is somewhat taken out of the Buttigieg and Sanders sails). A prime time, undisputed announcement of the results with Biden finishing a distant 4th would have been far more damaging than what we're seeing with the absolute shitshow put on by the Iowa Democratic Party. It's 24 hours later, we only have partial results, what results we do have will be questioned (right or wrong), and nobody walks away with great momentum. As a result, Biden's odds of finishing 2nd in New Hampshire are greater than they would be otherwise. He may end up 3rd or 4th anyway, but the Iowa chaos boosts his chances. 2nd in NH and 1st or 2nd in NV will help him maintain frontrunner status. Not because IA, NH and NV produce a ton of delegates, but because - again - the media narrative matters...a lot!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
It only matters until the next primary superceeds it still_one Feb 2020 #1
Iowa and New Hampshire always have an outsized influence on the following contests. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #5
It will be forgotten after Super Tuesday, and I believe that the top 5 candidates will see it still_one Feb 2020 #7
The fiasco will be forgotten, but my point is that the narrative that comes out of IA and NH... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #16
Bloomberg will be the one left standing ... left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #2
Yep. With Sanders ascending and Joe faltering, Bloomberg becomes the obvious moderate stopbush Feb 2020 #4
If Biden doesn't do at least third next week, I'll be flipping over to Bloomberg after SC. Zolorp Feb 2020 #13
Tell me how Bloomberg wins a majority of delegates. That isn't going to happen. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #6
+++ still_one Feb 2020 #8
Dropping about $200 million on Super Tuesday Zolorp Feb 2020 #14
Money doesn't equate to votes/delegates. This Bloomberg talk is nuts. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #20
Yes, money does equate to votes, and votes equates to delegates. Zolorp Feb 2020 #21
Read one of the many studies that have demonstrated that you're wrong. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #22
Oh yeah? Link those studies Zolorp Feb 2020 #23
Fine, I'll do the legwork. Here's one: Garrett78 Feb 2020 #24
Irrelevent Zolorp Feb 2020 #26
You asked for a study and got it; then blew off his questions Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #30
I'm still waiting for proof Zolorp Feb 2020 #31
He needs to do very well on Super Tuesday. stopbush Feb 2020 #15
the bigger issue isn't caucuses or not at all. the issue is this primary system we have is Kurt V. Feb 2020 #3
Two weeks is too short. still_one Feb 2020 #9
why? Kurt V. Feb 2020 #10
Because they need to be vetted at least for 3 months in my opinion still_one Feb 2020 #12
They've been vetted since summer tho. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #18
I understand our point Kurt, but i think putting the candidates in full campaign still_one Feb 2020 #32
I agree. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #35
There are all sorts of ways to do things differently, but caucuses need to go. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #11
i like this also. the point is we need an overhaul. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #17
We do. Many of us have been singing that song for a long, long time. Don't hold your breath. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #34
Please. Anyone with $50+ billion that he or she is willing to spend is a contender. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #19
Buying ads isn't enough. Money doesn't equate to votes/delegates. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #25
Ask me that question after Super Tuesday calguy Feb 2020 #27
LOL, after Super Tuesday. That defeats the purpose. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #28
Bloomberg is starting to get crowds on stops. Blue_true Feb 2020 #36
I agree that his money alone is not enough, but he was the Mayor of New York. Laelth Feb 2020 #37
Funny you should say that bc Iowa just proved that it doesn't matter THAT much... Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #29
Clearly, as I already said, Iowa's impact this year has been dampened. In general, though... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #33
Saying it here and now...I won't vote for Bloomberg pecosbob Feb 2020 #38
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