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In reply to the discussion: My take on the Iowa Caucuses... [View all]Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)56. I'm off. Enjoy.
Last edited Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:10 PM - Edit history (7)
This is not a deep dive. Just stuff I picked up real quick. Tons more out there. All basically saying the same. You think Biden is walking away from the base. He just has to muddle through to primary four in S. Carolina where his biggest supporters await. After that, Super Tuesday and the March 10. All in his favor. The base will right things.
Biden 4th last night? Bernie 5th in Missouri & OK, 4th in Minnesota, and 3rd in Mass. & Tenn.
Through March 10 numbers - not going to change because of muddled returns from 170,000 people in Iowa.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287476885#post6
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☔BlackPeopleAreHuman♿@SparrowOnTheEye
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11hReplying to @Bakari_Sellers
Why ppl think IA or New Hampshire matters in the 2020? There has been a shift. Non whites have barely voted!!!
HailStateForever@PamChas2
Black people are not going to vote for anyone other than Biden in SC at the same rate. They are not focused on two white states, that exclude them. When Biden gets to my state, we will vote for him as well. Buttigieg and Klobuchar wont gain his support, nor will they last.
BidenFront(Text Join to 30330)@Biden_Front
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Yeah that 53 % african american support will just wake up tomorrow and say, damn that almost all white state thinks something else than we do, we better do what they say-said no African American EVER
Henry"No Malarkey"Djoutsa@D_jeneration
Breaking News@JoeBiden
is still my favorite
Still the favorite.
Still the most qualified.
Still backed by the democratic winning coalition.(POC) African Americans
Still the best to take on trump,beat him and restore the soul of the nation.
Pé Resists@4everNeverTrump
The Democratic candidates spent about $63 million in Iowa leading up to the caucuses.
170,000 people caucused.
That's $370 per caucus-goer.
170,000 people? I live in Miami-Dade County. Population -2,744,878 These 170,000 decide nothing for me.
Poll: Biden continues to dominate among black voters - (December)
'Joe Biden continues to hold a wide lead in the Democratic primary among African Americans, according to a new poll that also shows black voters believe the former vice president would do the best job on most of the issues important to them.
In the crowded Democratic field, Biden has 44 percent support 29 percentage points higher than Sen, Bernie Sanders, who comes in second among African American likely primary voters, according to the survey for the BlackPAC political action committee."
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/13/poll-biden-continues-to-dominate-among-black-voters-084285
Bernie will not pick up black voters. He is a patronizing clown who thinks black voters are stupid and will vote for him because of photo. Photo? Yeah, photo. The most widely seen photo of a misdemeanor arrest ever!
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I cant wait to celebrate him during black history month starting tomorrow. #berniesoblack
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@imma_mood
Well at least we know it wasnt racially motivated. This is Bernie chained to a black female activist protesting against segregation.#GoogleBernie #BernieSanders2020 #BernieSoBlack
eattheboomers@walkinintheyard
·Sep 8, 2019
I would love for someone to ask him why he chose to move to the whitest state in the country. I've spent lots of time in Vermont its nice pretty but its about as diverse as the crowd at a Dave Matthews band concert or a Sanders rally in South Carolina
Tynisa the Cynical Gen X Witch Walker@Kalarigamerchic
· Jul 26, 2019
Since #Berniessoblack was our response to his civil rights stunts. Im now starting #BerniesEveryWoman
Bernie is not liked and won't pick up any votes here. Biden is. Almost as much as the rest combined. They won't be swayed by TV news spin. No narrative is going to make them change their mind. So don't go there. Its a dumb place.
Poll: Biden leads handily in African American support (Jan)
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"Former vice president Joe Biden is maintaining high levels of support among African American voters less than one month before the first contest of the 2020 election season.
According to a Washington Post-Ipsos national poll released Saturday, 48 percent of Democratic-leaning black voters back Biden as their choice for president, citing his time as former President Barack Obamas vice president among reasons for their support."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/11/joe-biden-african-american-voters-poll-097524
The polled South.
Alabama - Biden +21%
Florida - Biden 18.7%
Georgia - Biden +16.6%
Mississippi - Biden +26%
Missouri - Biden +25%
N. Carolina - Biden +11.7%
S. Carolina - Biden +17.4%
Tennessee - Biden +15%
Texas - Biden +17.4%
Virginia - Biden +12%
Look at those numbers. Bernie doesn't have margins like that. They're not changing because Iowa. No one in the South cares what they do up there. But that is devastating for Bernie. That will kill him when Biden picks up those states, When do they kick in? Starting with the 4th primary. Oh, shit. What to do? Lets get Biden out before the 4th by goosing the first three. NH is Bernies. Next door. White. 1.1% black. Rural. He beat Hillary by about 21 there in 2016. OK what about the other two. We'll keep them caucused. Bernie does well in caucuses. MUST CAUCUS. He did:
'According to a person with direct knowledge with the process which led to the rule changes, Iowa's "Frankenstein caucus" was the result of accommodations for Sanders supporters who wanted to maintain Iowa's and Nevada's first-in-the-nation caucuses, rather than end the practice of holding caucuses altogether, because caucuses were thought to favor Sanders. The use of the app was necessitated by rules put in place to make the caucuses more like primaries by releasing more data, including first-round preference totals.'
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-winner-trump-democrats-a9317761.html
First primary- (Iowa) Rural 3.4% Black. Accommodated for Bernie w/ caucus.
Second primary - (NH) Rural 1.1% Black. Next door neighbor won by 21% in 2016 in the bag.
Third primary - (Nevada) 8.76% Black. Not bad. Biden currently ahead. But Accommodated for Bernie w/ caucus
I don't know about you, but it looks like Bernie is trying to make things more favorable for himself, He's been at it for a while too. He has advantages in all three. He wants this shit over before S. Carolina. Biden must drop out nonsense is exactly what he wants. He does not want Biden in the race after primary/caucus # 3. Fuck dropping out.
1972 - George McGovern didn't win until the 4th primary but still got nomination. Muskie was winner of 1 and 3 and lost.
1884 - Mondale won 1 and 5, Gary Hart 2,3, and 4. Mondale gets nomination.
1988 - Dukakis 1 and 3. Gephardt - 2 and 3. Dukakis wins.
1992 - Clinton no wins until 6. Gets nomination.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Yes!! That's why there was such spin by the sanders camp and his supporters before caucus
Thekaspervote
Feb 2020
#8
That is the issue with Biden. Two huge losses is going to present reminders of other runs of his.
krissey
Feb 2020
#11
Hillary also was aided by it being a two-person race from start-to-finish...
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2020
#13
Right, and right. I agree about Warren having a surprising show in New Hampshire.
krissey
Feb 2020
#15
Exactly. A poor showing in NH and NV would remind everyone that Biden's previous attempts...
Garrett78
Feb 2020
#24
Right. People still have time to scatter and find another to put their vote behind.
krissey
Feb 2020
#25
Nothing to sell. If Biden gets blown out in three straight races, he's done.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2020
#42
Trump finished a close 2nd in IA and won NH easily. Not the example you want to be using.
Garrett78
Feb 2020
#45
If Biden has abandoned NH, he will get routed and won't be the nominee.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2020
#32
Biden's campaign has done little in NH, but I suspect the Iowa result has them rethinking.
Garrett78
Feb 2020
#41
Yes. Biden needs a competitive primary. If he doesn't get it, he's gone.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2020
#43
It doesn't. But history never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2020
#63
Problem is too many candidates running. Another problem which very few in the MSM
still_one
Feb 2020
#49
These are unique times Irish. Not only are there too many candidates, many of those candidates
still_one
Feb 2020
#72
I am not optomistic about his showing in NH, especially based on the polls you just cited.
still_one
Feb 2020
#83
Buttigieg, Sanders, and Warren will not get the AA support they need. With or without NH, Joe
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#12
People in SC will abandon ship if Biden does poorly in NH and NV. Narrative matters.
Garrett78
Feb 2020
#16
No... the AA community will not be swayed by 2 small, 90+ white rural states
Thekaspervote
Feb 2020
#19
B. Clinton is the only candidate to win the nomination after losing both IA and NH.
Garrett78
Feb 2020
#21
Your faith-based prophecy seems lacking in evidence and objective data to support it
LanternWaste
Feb 2020
#68
He just announced his biggest monthly campaign donations since he entered the race
Thekaspervote
Feb 2020
#20
Definitely not to Buttigieg or Sanders. Warren might have more success. But not one of them
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#29
Odd that as you argue numbers, you're the only one failing to provide any to support your premise
LanternWaste
Feb 2020
#70
No, he isn't. But the problem for the others is that they will be in an uphill battle to gain it.
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#22
Great breakdown! The AA community is very tight knit, they tend to vote as a block
Thekaspervote
Feb 2020
#30
Bloomberg will only be a factor in my view if we get to the convention with no candidate having
still_one
Feb 2020
#51
The only way Biden will drop out is if Super Tuesday is dismal. I think the same applies to
still_one
Feb 2020
#84
IA and NH account for around 7-8% of convention delegates. Florida along accounts for like 13-14%.
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#87
Sanders will probably win N.H. with Biden second, followed by Mayor Pete third
still_one
Feb 2020
#54
I agree. But if Biden slips to third in NH, it's hard for me to see him winning the nomination.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2020
#64
Regardless, Biden is in this through Super Tuesday, and I think it is a mistake for people to write
still_one
Feb 2020
#71
No one thought Biden would be a distant third - let alone a distant fourth.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2020
#66
I don't understand how Buttigieg did so well. It seems it came out of nowhere.
Beringia
Feb 2020
#73
All those words and you dedicated maybe ten to the biggest wildcard in the race.
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#79