Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Rilgin

(799 posts)
113. It is the Blame Bernie for everything and I mean everything contingent here at DU
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:58 PM
Feb 2020

I have been defending Bernie here for a few days even though not my actual candidate this year. He is my second choice. However, I have tried to defend him without reference to other candidates because mostly what I see is Bernie Bashing from lots of long time posters on this site without any courtesy to other parts of the democratic party that like him.

You give a good example. You reference the thread where the Bernie Bash erupted over John King's story. King retracted it eventually because it probably went to far. However, the Thread ignored that, in fact, as a fact, King did not mention Bernie and neither King nor the bash contingent recognized that the story probably came from earlier when the Biden communication director and deputy campaign manager did seemingly question the validity of the Vote on CNN (where King works).

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/iowa-caucuses-live-updates-2020-democrats-make-their-final-pitches-n1128596/ncrd1129681#liveBlogHeader

Kate Bedingfield, Biden's deputy campaign manager and communications director, said the campaign has "real concerns about the integrity of the process” Tuesday morning during an appearance on CNN.

If you think it was just questioning process, here is the continuation of the article.

The Iowa Democratic has said that their data was "sound" and the delay in the results was not due to a hack or intrusion, rather an abundance of caution to ensure accuracy. They plan to release the results sometime Tuesday.

When asked what reason she has to believe differently than what the Iowa Democratic Party has stated, Bedingfield said, "If you have a process where you can't be confident that the results that are being reported are reflective of the votes that people cast last night and the process, that's a real concern."

This was a CNN interview where John King works so any mistake John King made in Biden's actual plans or responses to Biden's concerns were at CNN not from any other candidate. I do not object to Biden questioning the validity of the results. I have my own ideas of what happened which do not involve the app but the attacks on Bernie are just more attacking him for any reason that a person can manufacture. It is not helpful. It is divisive and increases the disunity in the democratic party.

Correcting John King for a bad report is great. The Biden supporters and the Biden campaign minimizing Iowa and boosting their candidate is politics and fair. However, attacking another candidate that has nothing to do with that report while ignoring the Campaigns own words is divisive. This is similar to the attacks on Bernie for asking for rules to make the caucus more transparent. Who can actually argue with increased transparency? The hands in the air contingent says reporting 10 additional constant numbers (which have already been recorded with a paper trail to consider viability) is incredibly complicated. Reporting consists of at most 16 constant numbers and one result based on 6 constant numbers. All this can be done easily which is why the Democratic Party and with transparency candidates can actually see what happened.

There are tons of other examples.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Nope. onecaliberal Feb 2020 #1
its just you nt msongs Feb 2020 #2
yup.... burningberniebots at it again whistler162 Feb 2020 #34
It ain't you PDittie Feb 2020 #3
Trust Me calguy Feb 2020 #4
I do trust you. Cha Feb 2020 #16
It's definitely just you. CatMor Feb 2020 #5
Trust me, it's not you. jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #6
It isn't you .... jb5150 Feb 2020 #7
I think some (not all) Biden supporters feel entitled to the win. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #8
Thank you lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #24
I've 'been spanked' for saying Sander won't win period and Warren only with a really good VP Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #51
I share that sentiment Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #54
I think that is projection...if anyone feels entitled to win it is Sander's supporters...(not all). Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #52
Less an issue of entitlement than pretty clear evidence he was intentionally hindered in 2016. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #76
"hardly a legitimate qualification by itself" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #58
When I say by itself, I mean people isolating that as their only criteria... Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #75
It's just you. Seems like you are trying to stir the pot emulatorloo Feb 2020 #9
I am just asking a question peoli Feb 2020 #50
Then why don't you post links to some examples of Bidens supporters who you think LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #83
It's just you; we're not upset about Biden's showing at all. It's pretty much exactly what we've LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #10
Such few delegates and such a stupid process...why do folks pour millions of dollars into Iowa? Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #48
Because it's first so the media make a BFD over it and ascribe importance to it The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #81
Yep. You said it. Short and to the point. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #87
Nope. displacedtexan Feb 2020 #115
I am not nor do I know any Biden suporters that are angry. GemDigger Feb 2020 #11
I am not hearing anger marlakay Feb 2020 #12
It's just you. I'm not seeing it. octoberlib Feb 2020 #13
oddly enough OUR REVOLUTION is unwanted by the huge majority in Iowa lol nt msongs Feb 2020 #14
Oh I don't like them. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #36
I do pick up a lot negative waves from many of them CentralMass Feb 2020 #15
No anger or rage, everything is going according to plan bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #17
Biden lacks the Mamba Mentality d_b Feb 2020 #18
What is the Mamba Mentality? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #20
I didn't know either, so I just looked it up. It's this: wackadoo wabbit Feb 2020 #29
Given Bryant's history with women I'm not sure that's something I would covet. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #31
Hard work outweighs talent -- every time lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #104
I am not a Kobe Bryant fan (although sorry about the kids) I am a woman. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #45
Just you. nolabear Feb 2020 #19
Whatever the impetus, I've observed this as well lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #21
Not angry. Unless it's about something unethical like a rival campaign lying to a journalist about highplainsdem Feb 2020 #22
Not just you peoli Devil Child Feb 2020 #23
I haven't seen that. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #25
I haven't seen any anger from Biden supporters. LisaM Feb 2020 #37
Agree with you. Only anger I have seen is over false news story. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #88
I actually praised Buttigieg in another thread. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #26
Yes, I did too. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #40
Me too. I'm good with the nominee's last name beginning with a B and I'll accept a K too. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #70
I am not a Biden supporter. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #27
You are always fair sheshe2. I have great respect for Warren supporters because their preference emmaverybo Feb 2020 #89
I have the very same respect for Biden supporters. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #92
Thank you, sheshe2. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #93
Maybe they're mad because other candidates lie about Biden. dem4decades Feb 2020 #28
im not angry at anyone..are you? samnsara Feb 2020 #30
Nope, it's just you. Polly Hennessey Feb 2020 #32
Not me. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #33
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #35
It not just you.... LakeArenal Feb 2020 #38
Congrats to Pete and his campaign workers for a job well done. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #39
It's not just you TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #41
If you need proof TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #53
It is the Blame Bernie for everything and I mean everything contingent here at DU Rilgin Feb 2020 #113
Nope... haven;t seen any rage at all. Lisa0825 Feb 2020 #42
It is you...we don't give two shits about Iowa...although I would point out we only have a partial Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #43
Nope FloridaBlues Feb 2020 #44
I'm a Warren supporter xmas74 Feb 2020 #46
Nice Try BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #47
It's you. mac56 Feb 2020 #49
You are calling out supporters treestar Feb 2020 #55
"It ain't me babe".... George II Feb 2020 #56
It's just you. Some are, some aren't. slumcamper Feb 2020 #57
I'm not angry peggysue2 Feb 2020 #59
Not just you. zentrum Feb 2020 #60
That's not what the OP said; they claimed that Biden supporters think he did poorly LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #100
It's you Green Line Feb 2020 #61
It's not just you melman Feb 2020 #62
I don't give a shit about Bernie Sanders. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #63
Come on Dems Traildogbob Feb 2020 #64
It's just you. Pololv Feb 2020 #65
There are a lot of hurt feelings out there but they must realize that Iowa is a red state yaesu Feb 2020 #66
Not just you, I guess others just have pretty extensive ignore lists? MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #67
Sanders is appealing to LESS people not more! Check the stats from 2016 and he has lost UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #68
Kind of feels like a bit of projection Dirtdude Feb 2020 #69
For me, its been Biden posters TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #71
Good distinction, goofy vs red baiting or sneering attacks. Most of Liz's JudyM Feb 2020 #72
Sanders supporters TwilightZone Feb 2020 #77
Yup TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #114
I have to say...this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen...terrible. Democrats only Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #80
Thank you. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #91
+1000 sheshe2 Feb 2020 #94
Why? Because I am telling you what I hear from Swing/non-voters in my friends and family circle TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #98
Those states do not represent America's racial, cultural, and ethnic diversity. We should care very emmaverybo Feb 2020 #90
It's attitudes like this TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #97
The point is that they all count. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #102
I agree with you TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #106
I think the results do count, but still think these two states should not go first and be considered emmaverybo Feb 2020 #107
Yeah, it kinda does Cha Feb 2020 #74
Angry? Why in the world would I be angry about a process taking its natural course? IluvPitties Feb 2020 #73
IA Means JackSh*t to the Outcome in 2020 Indykatie Feb 2020 #78
It's you. ploppy Feb 2020 #79
Yeah, it's you... radical noodle Feb 2020 #82
I beg to differ quickesst Feb 2020 #84
Nope..I simply don't like Sanders. It has nothing to do with how Biden helpisontheway Feb 2020 #85
Wow, I can not believe greyl Feb 2020 #86
Are fleeing to Bloomberg. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #95
My only concern with Bloomberg TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #96
There's no evidence of that. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #103
IA was indeed, Bernie's to win or lose. I doubt anyone expected Biden to walk out w/ the blue ribbon LanternWaste Feb 2020 #99
it's just you handmade34 Feb 2020 #101
I'm not angry at anyone. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #105
It's not just you. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #108
I'm not angry at Bernie or anyone else seeking the nomination Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #109
I'm angry at Bernie and his supporters trying to steal the spotlight from Mayor Pete Politicub Feb 2020 #110
Interesting. ehrnst Feb 2020 #111
Who says I'm angry? Wednesdays Feb 2020 #112
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»Is it me or are Biden sup...»Reply #113