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bluesxtreme

(47 posts)
34. My Opinion
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:19 PM
Feb 2020

Obviously this is opinion based but when we voted Obama it was based largely on "yes we can".

Then with Clinton it was "status quo" and we missed out on how much change was desired from the far right majority of the people who wanted religiosity/tax breaks/etc. Trump represented the anti-status quo and was an outsider.

There's plenty of this playing out in our current primary with Warren saying we are not the party of no, yet many pine for the "normalcy and nostalgia" of pre-trump. The reality is the bar is already moved and what we see as going back to "normalcy" is not as desirable. I feel this is one of the major reasons Biden didn't do as well in Iowa.

Sanders and Warren still represent something we all truly desire: meaningful change. Not just going back to the way it was, but think about all that ails us, health care, making enough for a true standard of living, climate change. Even Klobachar and Buttegiug at least offer some compelling change.

Obama was bold and challenged status quo, which is why it always surprises me that everyone poo poos "progressives as too far left". Nothing wrong with idealism or championing issues. If you can't push forward bold ideas then what is the point of running other than to say: I won't do anything crazy in office. Ok, that doesn't change anything for the ones who are really suffering. And frankly i'm lucky enough to not have to worry about many things and I do feel I should pay my fair share of taxes. But I have to consider what my children will face in the future.

So that's why I think someone who pushes for bold change is going to fight for something bigger than just incremental changes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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I would like to see that as well... in the numbers only..no opinion/speculation Thekaspervote Feb 2020 #1
maybe you could start with why you think mikeysnot Feb 2020 #2
All right, try this... brooklynite Feb 2020 #6
Iowa is no way representative of the US and particularly the battleground states Piratedog Feb 2020 #59
This is only a request for reasons, not an attack I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #35
It's a valid question...I see you chose not to answer it. This ain't no stone, shit it's barely a UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #48
Arizonan Democrats would like the answer to this question too Mike 03 Feb 2020 #3
I want to see Sanders beating Trump in: texasfiddler Feb 2020 #4
National polls are pointless. Jirel Feb 2020 #19
It's wishful thinking on their part. honest.abe Feb 2020 #5
But it's a good and honest question. Let's not distract from it. nolabear Feb 2020 #7
Here's how ibegurpard Feb 2020 #8
He's an "Independent in name only... for record-keeping only. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #9
TY! Cha Feb 2020 #38
I don't know for sure but these are some of the arguments I have heard Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #10
Well, I was going to make a bunch of those points... Jirel Feb 2020 #20
Yep. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #30
he crashed and burned in Iowa, his favorite demographic. and yes he may win slightly msongs Feb 2020 #11
That's a unique spin on him being almost statistically tied for the lead. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #13
This. Jirel Feb 2020 #21
Did you miss the NYT article showing that much of his rise in the polls is because of minorities? Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #14
"his favorite demographic" melman Feb 2020 #16
Wow. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #40
Sure. Some basic arguments: DanTex Feb 2020 #12
More great points. Jirel Feb 2020 #22
Sanders can't really say he has policies if they are not paid for and founded on a reliable plan. gulliver Feb 2020 #56
Florida MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #15
Start with: I think that any state that preferred HRC over Trump will also prefer BS over Trump. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #17
He won Michigan. JudyM Feb 2020 #25
I absolutely disagree... brooklynite Feb 2020 #26
re: "Colorado (Clinton +5), Minnesota (Clinton +1.5) and New Hampshire (Clinton +0.3) are at risk" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #27
Bernie carried Colorado in the 2016 primary. And he will win it again. Autumn Feb 2020 #47
How does a Democratic candidate with 2% support from African-American voters win the GE? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #18
The list of centrist losers is way longer than Clinton Doremus Feb 2020 #23
Honest question: when was the last time a progressive won? Drunken Irishman Feb 2020 #46
I agree with you. Doremus Feb 2020 #50
Check the 2018 midterms if you want to see progressives losing. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #49
That wasn't the question Doremus Feb 2020 #51
It actually was the question " When's the last time a Progressive lost? Honest question." UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #53
well for one thing trump cant use his 2016 playbook. booley Feb 2020 #24
FDR was elected President 4 times. Some similarities ??? Prosper Feb 2020 #28
Sanders would likely inspire record youth vote turnout Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #29
I Couldn't Agree More corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #39
He could credibly break with the party on one or more of their most costly positions. k2qb3 Feb 2020 #31
OK, I'll bite. denem Feb 2020 #32
It rests on several observations Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #33
My Opinion bluesxtreme Feb 2020 #34
"we" are not all the voters... brooklynite Feb 2020 #36
Easily Done corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #37
Based on Iowa, he's lost half the support he had in 2016. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #45
A Plum Misinterpretation, Per Usual corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #60
Trump proposed healthcare for all no exclusions. Prosper Feb 2020 #41
Bernie will destroy our Congressional candidates...we might lose the House Lexblues Feb 2020 #42
CaUsE hE's ThE bEsT!!1!...nt SidDithers Feb 2020 #43
Read this... Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #44
At this point, any argument over electability is speculation, guillaumeb Feb 2020 #52
We can not win without DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #54
AZ, FL, NC and TX come off the table right away. RandySF Feb 2020 #55
Challange accepted. jg10003 Feb 2020 #57
Voters know crazy stuff won't pass the senate, good stuff might Cicada Feb 2020 #58
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