Democratic Primaries

ehrnst

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80. False equivalence.

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 07:34 PM

Feb 2020

No other candidate has run on the Socialist Workers Party ticket, praised the government controlled housing prices while honeymooning in the Soviet Union, or dismissed "horrors" in Cuba as right-wing propaganda. In living memory. With video.

So, no, there's not equal oppo against all Democratic candidates.

Why else do you think that Bernie was, and is the only candidate that's been promoted by both GOP and Russia?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020

Something to consider... why has the GOP completely held any and all fire against Sanders, while going out of their way to bash Biden?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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He is Going There. Actually Half Way There. [View all] Scurrilous Feb 2020 OP

I'm okay with being called a socialist Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #1

Its not a good tag if you are running for president though PatSeg Feb 2020 #4

Perhaps Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #6

Personally it doesn't phase me PatSeg Feb 2020 #9

that would be a fairly small minority in this country stopdiggin Feb 2020 #18

"an overwhelming majority of respondents, 76 percent, said they would not vote for a "socialist" maximusveritas Feb 2020 #46

Why this FACT alone does not convince people is beyond me. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #99

Not so sure about that. JudyM Feb 2020 #62

Socialism when explained, yes, but ... kurtcagle Feb 2020 #105

Thanks Sherman saidsimplesimon Feb 2020 #54

That's nice.. it won't be good for Dems Running who Cha Feb 2020 #34

+1000 Kurt V. Feb 2020 #59

I'd rathe be known as a Democratic socialist country than the Corporate socialist one we got now... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #65

Have a ? for the Senator Tweedy Feb 2020 #100

I would address the question to the Sanders Campaign Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #102

You are right of course Tweedy Feb 2020 #103

This concept polls badly and would help trump Gothmog Feb 2020 #112

That scares the bejezus out of me. I personally resent being labeled a socialist. lamp_shade Feb 2020 #2

Can't believe Joe went there, but that's okay...let's compare Joe's voting record InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #69

I don't care what the label means nowadays, but I'm old and in my day... lamp_shade Feb 2020 #75

Respect! But I wear the Democratic Socialist label w/ PRIDE & refuse to be a CORPORATE Socialist!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #82

Well I'm happy for you. lamp_shade Feb 2020 #87

they're all going to wear that label anyway ibegurpard Feb 2020 #3

only in Sanders' case .. the label will be a glowing, pulsing neon stopdiggin Feb 2020 #16

Not Bloomberg, no one can say he is a socialist N/T I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #20

They can say he's a fascist though! k2qb3 Feb 2020 #24

Not compared to Trump I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #47

nonsense of course they can ibegurpard Feb 2020 #25

sure they can - logic and sense mean nothing to Republicans rurallib Feb 2020 #28

Well, he's a Republican, so.... Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #38

But he is not Trump I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #52

Let's just run Mitt Romney then. He's not Trump either. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #55

If that what we need to do to defeat Trump I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #64

Well, now that's not a false dilemma/attacking a straw man twofer at all... ehrnst Feb 2020 #74

it is THE reason handmade34 Feb 2020 #27

THISSSSSSSS!!! TIP OF THE HAT TO YOU!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #84

This is more the Joe Biden I remember PatSeg Feb 2020 #5

McCarthy-esque Red Scare and The Devil Weed? That's not a good look. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #37

That's not how I took it PatSeg Feb 2020 #58

I took it as electability as well. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #95

Welcome to DU! PatSeg Feb 2020 #97

Hi PatSeg, thank you but I am not new to DU. I was AgadorSparticus. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #98

Yes, that's true PatSeg Feb 2020 #101

Understandably, the sheer amount of gaslighting is overwhelming! Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #104

I take a lot of mini breaks PatSeg Feb 2020 #109

If our nominee had a socialist label, many Dems would likely vote for him, oasis Feb 2020 #7

If bernie is the nominee, I will hold my nose & vote for him. Pololv Feb 2020 #88

He'll get my G.E. vote, but I'm not about to defend M4A to folks. oasis Feb 2020 #89

oh - I like his positions and proposals. Pololv Feb 2020 #107

..... oasis Feb 2020 #108

Why is this a problem? bluescribbler Feb 2020 #8

It's not a problem for us, but for a lot of the general public. The term "socialist" was ehrnst Feb 2020 #85

The Hudson Institute: demmiblue Feb 2020 #10

It's everywhere. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #14

What does this have to do with anything, I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #21

Democratic Underground Terms of Service: demmiblue Feb 2020 #22

OK Then. Forward. Liberal as it gets. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #39

Do you know why the Republicans will be able to label Bernie as... Sloumeau Feb 2020 #11

Both Bernie and Joe cannot win I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #23

PS - He cannot be labeled a socialist I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #26

Bloomberg?! Are you serious?! After rich-splainin why we should all vote for Shrub?! No thank you!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #72

All the rest, but "liberal?" OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #30

OMG He supports the weed? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #36

Every modern Dem candidate has been labeled a socialist by the repubs. brutus smith Feb 2020 #12

Only one candidate has accepted the label. brooklynite Feb 2020 #13

And? brutus smith Feb 2020 #32

Makes the labeling that much easier. brooklynite Feb 2020 #33

OMG grab the kids and take cover Doremus Feb 2020 #15

LOL!! I say keep it up... the Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash keeps Bernie surgin in the polls!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #73

Hudson Institute is a right-wing think tank. Just so you know. DanTex Feb 2020 #17

I am glad to hear Biden say this. This is important. krissey Feb 2020 #19

God Tag ? Bad Tag ? Horizens Feb 2020 #29

Oh no, they're going to call us names walker59 Feb 2020 #31

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #35

The Red Scare was based on Joe McCarthy's lies. This is true. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #40

It's not true that socialism is the fucking devil. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #41

I guess you missed the Super Bowl pregame. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #43

Trump's a fucking asshole. Guess what he's going to say about Biden. And Pete. And Liz. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #44

False equivalence. ehrnst Feb 2020 #80

Funny how the word socialist is a bad word to both parties. Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #42

The vast majority of the electorate will never make such a distinction. Zolorp Feb 2020 #48

Patiently untrue. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #49

Of course you'd say that. Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #51

Right, because I'm a reality-based liberal Democrat. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #53

Do explain how SS and Medicare aren't democratic socialism. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #56

Easy. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #60

And anyone with any understanding of communication would say that ehrnst Feb 2020 #76

That candidate isn't on "the Democratic ticket." OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #79

He doesn't serve or vote as a Democrat, and has never accepted the Democratic nomination ehrnst Feb 2020 #86

It's not DU that needs convincing. ehrnst Feb 2020 #66

No,it's more the political capital the Repugs will have to kick the Dems. Das Kapital, as it were... OnDoutside Feb 2020 #71

But we need to accept that the word "socialism" is loaded for many. ehrnst Feb 2020 #83

If you spend your time exlpaining - you're losing. NT Pololv Feb 2020 #90

Yeah, Shine the Light! Cha Feb 2020 #45

Uncle Joe just pulled me back from flirting with Bloomberg! Zolorp Feb 2020 #50

Oh Good.. I've been reading about all that Cha Feb 2020 #61

What does Joe saying (rightly) we don't want to be labeled Socialist have to do with the article? Squinch Feb 2020 #57

The "socialist" tag would be a disaster awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #63

I'm not willing to carry that label. I'm NOT a Socialist. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #67

exactly. BS can go set up his so-called " Democratic Socialist " party. He is NOT a Democrat and onetexan Feb 2020 #68

This is my fear. The republicans have turned the word socialist into something scary madibella Feb 2020 #70

Joe is probably right. And socialism is very "unpopular". apcalc Feb 2020 #77

OK Joe. I thought you said you were the one to take on tRump and the GOP, the tough guy who could KPN Feb 2020 #78

Go Joe. Autumn Feb 2020 #81

Go, Joe! highplainsdem Feb 2020 #91

"Stalinist kibbutz"? Holy shit Hekate Feb 2020 #92

Biden is absolutely correct. Excellent point. Cha Feb 2020 #93

He is MustLoveBeagles Feb 2020 #106

Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #110

guilt... myohmy2 Feb 2020 #94

They call everyone socialist. They also scatter in nazi, fascist, and libtard. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #96

trump would love to run against a weak socialist candidate Gothmog Feb 2020 #111