Am I the only one who thinks BS money is coming from outside our party?

[Hortensis]

109. No, wasn't serious about the water, but about craziness yes!

The trumpster disorder is spreading on the left and threatening to destroy our majority against the insanity on the right. Who needs "brainwashing" (a joke also) when using mass communications to bombard willing recipients with lies can change the behaviors and corrupt the morals and hard-headed self interest of millions?

Sensible people would care, to put it mildly, that they were being used as tools for Russia in a war to take down their own nation and wonder what living in a nation defeated in a war conducted entirely within, not overseas, would do to their lives. Would they still have a job? Retirement income? Forget national healthcare, worry about what inability to pay for Social Security and Medicare would mean, or a kleptocratic authoritarian replacement government that "privatized" them to destroy; in a broken nation, maybe there'd be no need for the privatization disappearing act, just cancel.

Vox has a very interesting article suggesting that Sanders is making inroads among trumpsters, one running on utopia, the other on dystopia. The article's not about Russian interference, but this is very much one of the things watchers would expect to be happening. Our intelligence services say part of Russia's plan to destroy us by sowing chaos is to unite Trump's and Sanders' anti-establishment populists against establishment voters on both sides to bring down our government. With various other interesting things going on to make sure it does go down and what replaces it is as corrupt and dysfunctional as Russia needs it to be.

Here's that Vox article, btw.

Why some conservatives think Sanders is Trump’s biggest threat: “Even though the populists are not socialists, Sanders is speaking their language.”

For some conservatives, Sanders is the ideal foil for Trump — regardless of whether those conservatives are supportive of Trump. Sanders is a socialist, with a record of praising dictators (granted, so does Trump) and arguing in favor of bread lines in the mid-1980s. Some conservative PACs are even airing ads that could help Sanders in the primary. And Trump-skeptical conservatives, who at least say they’d be willing to vote for a moderate Democrat, are sounding the alarm about Sanders’s candidacy, arguing that it would be simply impossible for Sanders to win, his nomination dooming the Democratic Party for a generation.

But there’s another theory of the case, one in which Sanders’s unique candidacy actually provides the biggest threat to Trump. His populist message is aimed squarely at the same people Trump effectively activated in 2016. As conservative writer David French argued, “Trump will run on dystopia. Bernie will run on utopia.” Moreover, in 2020 Trump will be the establishment candidate, while Sanders will be the anti-elite upstart. And this group of conservatives worries that could, once again, prove a winning formula.

This split reflects a deeper and growing divide in conservatism: between traditional small-government, free market, libertarian-leaning conservatives and an emerging populist conservative movement that sees some of its 2016 self in Sanders. In short, how the right is responding to Sanders’s campaign says as much about the conservative movement and its ideological fault lines as it does about him.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/3/21083839/bernie-sanders-trump-conservatism-iowa-2020