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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders drew a crowd of 11,400 at his rally in Denver, CO [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)78. It's not a negative, it's just not necessarily an indicator of widespread support
or support among those who will show up at the polls.
It can be misleading.
On Oct. 13, 2000, 15,000 zealous progressives packed Madison Square Garden for one of Ralph Naders super rallies. They paid $20 each for admission, evidence of their passion, since political rallies are almost always free. That year, many on the left were disappointed with the Democratic nominee for president. Al Gore was a wonky centrist and a stilted speaker who appeared to possess few core principles. For progressives, his association with Bill Clinton, icon of triangulation and political compromise, counted against him. At a time when the left was outraged over our corrupt campaign finance system, Gore was dogged by questions about money hed received from sketchy donors with ties to foreign governments.
At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many peoples deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives. In response, the crowd erupted in chants of Let Ralph debate! Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose 90s cool had not yet evanesced.
Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening the most memorable political rally of the year 2000. Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night, the Village Voice wrote.
At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. Who designed this economy, anyway? he asked at Madison Square Garden. I think its time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!
At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many peoples deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives. In response, the crowd erupted in chants of Let Ralph debate! Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose 90s cool had not yet evanesced.
Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening the most memorable political rally of the year 2000. Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night, the Village Voice wrote.
At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. Who designed this economy, anyway? he asked at Madison Square Garden. I think its time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/ralph-nader-and-the-tragedy-of-voter-as-consumer-politics.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Yes, but I'm sure Bernie somehow will be criticized for these large crowds...after all, it's Bernie!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#4
I guess the people on the trail forgot to tell the 11,400 people who came to see him
ChubbyStar
Feb 2020
#19
A free tshirt?!?! OK sure, I'll give up on the guy who'll bring affordable Universal healthcare
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#60
That is up to his campaign. In my view if he doesn't win SC it is over for him
still_one
Feb 2020
#45
Believe it or not, I actually agree with your assessment. In fact I believe out of all of our
still_one
Feb 2020
#53
I am so disappointed but it is not just voters I blame media . I like both sanders and Biden but
lunasun
Feb 2020
#54
SC doesn't even matter anymore as far as Joe's concerned... Bernie has already dispensed with Joe.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#63
That's certainly part true; its also Bernie's positive appeal to the workin class & poverty stricken
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#82
It doesn't need to be at the level of a violent criminal release to send voters into a tailspin.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#84
I did not say I read that poll 1000 times, and Sanders is doing best against Trump in Texas!
at140
Feb 2020
#86
TRUE DAT! You saw that skill in the Democratic debates the way Bernie counters unfounded criticism.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#83
Because that represents only Sanders base. He has not demonstrated he is able to move
still_one
Feb 2020
#48
Somebody posted wide angle pic that was impressive , but reading the number count is too Thanks
lunasun
Feb 2020
#12
Big deal! Bloomberg drew $11.4 million out of his bank account in response. n/t
zackymilly
Feb 2020
#51
It's not a negative, it's just not necessarily an indicator of widespread support
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#78